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The reason I say the real question is " Did He bring back the Passover?" is because the Passover is the true sign to recognize God in Spirit and God in the Flesh. All through out the Old testament and the New Testament. So if someone restored the Passover, correctly, according to the Bible's regulation, before Christ Ahnsahnghong, then they would be the christ.
I will make one thing very clear. Herbert Armstrong established the World Wide Church of God in the Early 20th century. That church claims they keep the Passover. If their Passover is correct, then Herbert Armstrong was the Christ. However, there are alot of inconsistencies w/prophecy from that church. First of all, they believe in sunset theory. According to the Sunset Set Doctrine, the Passover cant be kept because, the appointed time of the Passover is 1st month 14th day at twilight (when the sun goes down Deut 16:5)so since they believe that the day begins at sunset, to them, when the sun goes down is no longer 1st month 14th day at twilight, it becomes 1st month 15th day.
2nd thing is Herbert Armstrong didn't come from a country that is EAST of Patmos Island. According to Revelation 1:9, Apostle John was on Patmos Island when he wrote revelation. And when he saw Christ coming w/the Seal of God, he saw him coming from the East.(Revelation 7:1-3) So he saw Christ coming from a country that is east of Patmos Island. So the fact that Herbert Armstrong didnt come from the east, but from America, which is west, shows he is not the christ. And if he isnt the christ, that means the Passover he taught was wrong. It is the same with all these churches that claim they are the true church. If Jehovahs Witnesses are the true church then Charles Russell is the Christ. Follow him. If SDA is the true church, then Ellen G. White is the christ. Follow her.. etc.
Nobody can prove that Christ Ahnsahnghong didn't do what the Bible teaches "ONLY GOD CAN DO" there for he is the Christ.
I only ask one thing. Please come w/Biblical or tangable proof. And stick to the topic. You guys are very angry, its not even comical, it's sad. Are you trying to pick and point at WMSCOG or are you trying to prove Christ Ahnsahnghong isnt the 2nd coming Christ? This will end all discussion. someone PLEASE prove that Christ Ahnsahnghong didn't restore THE PASSOVER, CORRECTLY, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE'S REGULATION. If you prove that, then you prove WMSCOG is a false church following a false Christ. End of story.
So can I celiobrate holidays connected to the god Ahura Mazda, after all he is from a monotheistic religion so by your definition not pagan
The Unknown wrote:
A pagan festival is a festival that is dedicated to a false god.
So let me ask you another question. Was there any type of worship ceremony at that festival shown in the lik above? Was there any type of sacrifice or religious ritual done at that festival? Did she substitute that festival for the Sabbath Day or any of Gods appointed Feast? Did she put Gods name on it in any way shape or form? Did she have the pictures of the dead ancestors there and place food in front of them and bow down to it? The answer is NO to all those questions. Then THE ANSWER IS NO, SHE DID NOT CELEBRATE A PAGAN FESTIVAL.
So, if on the 25th of December I shared gifts with friends and family, decorated a tree, went door to door singing songs, etc., but did not include a god of any kind [true or otherwise] I am not guilty of celebrating a pagan festival?
This is a real question.. because I was taught that if I decided to be with my family on the 25th of December, I couldn't accept any gifts or give any gifts, I couldn't participate in decorating the tree, etc. because all of these things have pagan roots. I had to stay away from anything traditionally done on that day. For Chuseok, Zahng had the traditional Chuseok food prepared the traditional Korean way which, even the way they food is prepared and the reason that certain type of food is prepared, has pagan roots. By applying the rules I was told to follow, Zahng was in the wrong.
Restoring Passover highly does not qualify anyone to the level of deity. The same way the pope is not God even though many respect him. Trust and believe that when and if you see the true and living God, in spite of if you will believe, you’ll understand he cannot be a mere mortal even if He is in the flesh – just like Jesus. Regardless of those who believed in Jesus over two thousand years ago or not, Jesus proved not by words alone or “restoring a Passover” that He was God in the flesh. He had to because of our weakness and lack of faith. If He is going to come a second and a third time, He will at least do it again the second time before the third time. You can’t expect people to just accept that a woman in S. Korea or anywhere in the world for that matter, is God. Sitting and waiting for us to come meet with her. I’m guessing that’s a sign of deity, right? For crying out loud, this is a joke.
Passover never left. Talk to a Jew for christ’s sake. Ask them to explain the word Elohim to ya while you’re at it.
except they make it clear they don't mean the JEwish one (even if it is the only one that isn't their claim)
Cephas' Brother wrote:
Passover never left. Talk to a Jew for christ's sake. Ask them to explain the word Elohim to ya while you're at it.
Thank you!
Simon wrote:
except they make it clear they don't mean the JEwish one (even if it is the only one that isn't their claim)
Lol.
Ahn wrote about how Jews would be saved from disasters still because they continue to keep the passover of the OT
Simon wrote:
Ahn wrote about how Jews would be saved from disasters still because they continue to keep the passover of the OT
If so, then why would he need to restore what never stopped? I need to think of something to "Restore" also in the bible. Smh…
Sarah2013 wrote:
Simon wrote:
Ahn wrote about how Jews would be saved from disasters still because they continue to keep the passover of the OT
If so, then why would he need to restore what never stopped? I need to think of something to "Restore" also in the bible. Smh…
The PO of the NT saves your spirit while the OT PO only saves your flesh. The one that saves your spirit was the one that was restored.. [WMSCOG]
How can the Passover be "the real question?" Here's some logic for all of you thinkers out there; If only God can restore the Passover then was Ahn really God. Evidence of his life would suggest that he was not God only a believer of God. You can read throughout Ahn's published works the influences of the groups that he had been involved in and how he intertwined them in his message to his flock. The majority of his teachings came directly from the SDA group. Tied in with these ideas are also a heavy influence of the religion he was involved in prior to the SDA. Ahn was born into a Buddist family and practiced this religion until his mom discovered the SDA group. She was the first one to go into this group and it is believed that Ahn's mom influenced him to come and see what this group was all about. Ultimately Ahn joined his mother in the SDA group, learned and taught these beliefs for around sixteen years. It was then that Ahn broke away and formed his own group. This is not front page news folks. Take some time and do your own research and you will find these things out for yourself. So coming back to what should be the real question, was Ahn really God? Here's two important questions to find the answers to: 1) Would God spend time in a false religion worshipping idols and such for about thirty years? 2) Would God join a religious group whos founding member directly contradic the Bible with some of their teachings and then on his own do the same thing to others? I'm not going to answer these questions for you. You need to find these things out for yourself. God loves you and He wants you with Him. Find out the real truth and don't let others tell you what you are to believe.
Smurf wrote:
FTOS you're so deep in your imaginary world, it's unreal. You are so blinded by your own self-righteousness you desperately try and justify things just to keep reality out even for a day. I pity you… sadly, some people like yourself will never see the truth of God.. they'll always believe whatever they want to believe. It's sad.
Wow, this is disturbing! Well glad to see you all have notforgotten me in my absense.
The beliefs of The WMS Church Of God
1. Christ will come back a second time and be born as a man from an Eastern Country. This Eastern Country is Korea.
2. Christ will come back “in clouds”. As clouds can be interpreted to mean “people”, Christ will come back a second time as a human being.
3. Christ will come again in a “New Name”.
4. Ahnsahnghong is Christ because he fulfilled several Biblical prophecies.
5. King David ruled his kingdom for 40 years. Jesus, as the successor of King David, should also reign for 40 years. As Jesus died three year after his baptism, in order to complete a 40-year rule he shall have to return and reign for a further 37 years. Ahnsahnghong is Christ because he died 37 years after his baptism.
6. Christ’s second coming coincides with Israel’s return to Jerusalem. Ahnsahnghong was baptized in 1948, the very same year Israel rebuilt their nation. Therefore Ahnsahnghong is the Second coming of Christ.
7. History repeats itself. Ahnsahnghong was rejected and persecuted as Jesus was. Only his most ardent followers will receive his “truth”.
8. As prophesised, Ahnsahnghong preached the Passover message of bread and wine. Therefore Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming of Christ.
9. The symbol of the cross is corrupted, as are Christian festivals, rituals, seasons, holidays and doctrines.
10. The Catholic Church and the Papal Title represents the anti Christ and the mark of the beast.
11. The Bible is “locked” and only Ahnsahnghong can reveal its true teachings. Thus the Church of God’s teachings are “unique” in that they represents the direct word of God.
12. The Holy Mother Jerusalem is a female incarnation of God.
Before examining these claims, it is first necessary to know exactly who Mr Ahnsahnghong and Mother Jerusalem are.
Who do the WMS Church of God worship?
Ahnsahnghong was born in Korea to Buddhist parents. He joined The Holiness Church (Seventh Day Adventist) in 1947. In order to legally preach the gospel he renounced Buddhism and was baptized in 1948. He set up his own church in 1964. During this period he married and divorced several times and had multiple wives and children. Though several of his children are devout Christians, none actually believe him to be The Second Coming of Christ.
An accomplished Biblical scholar, Ahnsahnghong is also the author of several books (“Visitors from the angelic world”, “The Seal of God and the Last Plagues” etc). Throughout the 35 chapters of one book, “The Mystery of God and The Spring of The Water of Life”, Ahnsahnghong takes Bible scriptures, examines them individually and offers his own interpretations.
Ahnsahnghong made a number of predictions within his early books. The most prominent two being his 1967 and 1988 predictions for the Second Coming of Christ. The majority of his scholarly work written prior to the 1970’s, deal in part with these Biblical prophecies.
Following Ahnsahnghong’s death, the Church of God went through a reformation process. Many of these books were subverted and the newly named “Church of God” began republishing heavily edited “interpretations” of his work. As it is now hard to find English language translations of Ahnsahnghong’s pre 1970’s work, we are working to translate and scan various chapters so that readers may download and study his work themselves.
Nevertheless, a number of Ahnsahnhong’s more recent and readily available books counter the notion that he was the Second Coming of Christ. Many of these latter water/life books are written in an interpretative tone that do not suggest that the author believes himself to be a deity. Instead he refers to Jesus and The Second Coming numerous times and speaks of the “coming” as an event that will occur in the future and not as one that has already happened or been personally fulfilled.
During his life, Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be Christ and nobody considered or even proclaimed that he was. In fact, before his death (due to a cerebral blood clot), he predicted that the Second Coming of Christ would occur in 1988. In his books, he rationalised this date by adding the Biblical generation of 40 years to the year 1948, the year of Israel’s rebirth (1948+40=1988). It is clear that Ahnsahnghong saw himself, not as a God, but as a mere writer and Biblical scholar.
It was only after Ahnsahnghong’s death that the Holy Mother Jerusalem, (a Korean woman called Zian-Gil-Za, whom also claims to be God) proclaimed Ahnsahnghong to be the Second Coming of Christ. Zian-Gil-(sometimes spelt Chung Gil Cha or Xhang Gil Cha), an ex lover of Ahnsahnghong (they met in her late twenties) ensures that the Church of God guards all details of Ahnsahnghong’s early life and guarantees that his real birth name and past history remains a secret. Incidentally, Chung Gil Cha’s sister was imprisoned in Korea in the 70s for embezzling money from a Church.
During the early 90’s the Church of God underwent a major reformation process. After Ahnsahnghong’s predictions and prophecies failed to materialise in 1988 (and after he failed to physically ascend after his death), his followers began to grow disillusioned. Thus, the Church’s doctrines were “reinterpreted”. The idea of Christ coming in secret as a mortal and the concept of a third coming salvation were all born in an effort to justify Ahnsahnghong’s death.
The group currently believes in a 2012 END DATE, stating that an apocalyptic nuclear fire will terminate all life on earth. Only the chosen few will survive. When these interpretations do not materialise, no doubt they will further alter their doctrines.
In 2004, The Christian Council of Korea, which represents churches in the country has, according to the visiting professors, declared the WMS-Church of God “heretical”. Their findings indicated that the Church employs grooming methods, using susceptible young men and women (19-25 years old) to recruit further malleable recruits. The Church of God argues that these allegations are “groundless” and denies claims allegedly made by other Christian denominations that the Church “worships a man”, “mistreats minors” and “gradually destroys families”.
The visiting academics nevertheless indicated that the Church employs cultic practises and has frequently been accused of breaking up families, citing that female followers are often made to leave their homes in order to wait at cult buildings for the “coming of Christ”, which Ahnsahnghong initially predicted would happen in 1988.
As of January 1999, there are over 200 cult leaders in Korea claiming to be Gods or messiahs. The country is a hotbed of new age mysticism new religious movements as the Korean people try to evolve a religion of their own, incorporating Western and Middle Eastern mysticism with more traditional Korean cultural practises. Estimates of cult membership in Korea alone, provided by the Korean National Council of Churches in 1999, was 350,000. This figure is constantly rising as many cults are gaining power through clandestine door-to-door propagation.
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
Simon wrote:
Ahn wrote about how Jews would be saved from disasters still because they continue to keep the passover of the OT
If so, then why would he need to restore what never stopped? I need to think of something to "Restore" also in the bible. Smh…
The PO of the NT saves your spirit while the OT PO only saves your flesh. The one that saves your spirit was the one that was restored.. [WMSCOG]
What about Jesus.
This blog is dated 2008
Sarah2013 wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
If so, then why would he need to restore what never stopped? I need to think of something to "Restore" also in the bible. Smh…
The PO of the NT saves your spirit while the OT PO only saves your flesh. The one that saves your spirit was the one that was restored.. [WMSCOG]
What about Jesus.
It's because of Jesus we have the NTPO.
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
If so, then why would he need to restore what never stopped? I need to think of something to "Restore" also in the bible. Smh…
The PO of the NT saves your spirit while the OT PO only saves your flesh. The one that saves your spirit was the one that was restored.. [WMSCOG]
What about Jesus.
It's because of Jesus we have the NTPO.
If because of Jesus we have the NTPO then please explain to me why it needs restoring. Jesus said it is finished. Or did he mean, not finished?
Sarah2013 wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
The PO of the NT saves your spirit while the OT PO only saves your flesh. The one that saves your spirit was the one that was restored.. [WMSCOG]
What about Jesus.
It's because of Jesus we have the NTPO.
If because of Jesus we have the NTPO then please explain to me why it needs restoring. Jesus said it is finished. Or did he mean, not finished?
Jesus said to keep the NTPO in rememberance of Him but the "proper" way of keeping it was lost. So, it needed to be restored so we can keep it in rememberance of Him.
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
The PO of the NT saves your spirit while the OT PO only saves your flesh. The one that saves your spirit was the one that was restored.. [WMSCOG]
What about Jesus.
It's because of Jesus we have the NTPO.
If because of Jesus we have the NTPO then please explain to me why it needs restoring. Jesus said it is finished. Or did he mean, not finished?
Jesus said to keep the NTPO in rememberance of Him but the "proper" way of keeping it was lost. So, it needed to be restored so we can keep it in rememberance of Him.
So it took him coming secretly from S. Korea (married with children), then revealing a secret mother from S. Korea (was married also with children), whom by the way, is yet to reveal herself to the world as god, to restore what was never really gone? Sounds like Blasphemy. I don't accept this type of teaching. Jesus said it was finished. Go ye out and preach the gospel. The Holy Spirit was the first sign of the comforter Jesus sent. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." (this was not talking about his birth way). Acts 1:11.
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." (this was not talking about his birth way). Acts 1:11.
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