[serg]

   It is very important to know God, this way we can worship Him. It is a very foolish thing to worship an unknown God or a false God. When we know the God of the bible and understand Him, our worship can be true. If we believe in God, we must have true knowledge of Him. We should never be foolish and blindly believe. Or claim to have true knowledge, when in reality we are just seeing more in the bible then what is actually there. The bible is our source to seek the true knoweldge of God.

   We should press on to know God and truly believe in Him. We ought to have kowledge of God. Just like Peter, who was able to follow God because he knew God. So we are to study the bible if we want to know God. Without studying the bible to see who is God, we will be deceived because we might believe in false gods/false christs who some will claim to be true. (Mathew 24.4-5, 23-26, Luke 21:8) The World Mission Society Church of God claim that the Holy Spirit and the bride mentioned in Revalation 22:17 are both God who have come down in the flesh to save sinners. They are God the Father, and God the Mother. Let us carefully examine this claim to see whether or not it is the true knowledge we must have of God.

   First thing we must understand is that the "Holy Spirit and the bride" is biblical.  Yes, the bible does mention both. However, we cannot claim something that does not come from the words of God in the bible. The "bride" in Revalation 22:17, can only be God if the words of God in the bible teach us this. Ex: Jesus Himself makes the claim or the Father in the Old Testament or a revelation from the Holy Spirit. Out of the 66 books in the bible, nowhere does it say the "bride" is actually God or a literal woman. The Holy Spirit shows that this bride in Revalation is the Holy City Jerusalem coming down from heaven. (Rev. 21:1-2, 9-10) Never does it say it is an actual woman. Let alone God.  So why should we claim the bride is God who came in the flesh?

When it comes to the Holy Spirit, the bible does not say it is a man but a "spirit". This Spirit is from God. ( 1. Cor. 2:10-16, 1 Cor. 2:12, Isa. 11:2, 2. Pet. 1:21, 1 John 4:1-3). It is a God given Spirit that lives in us and helps us in many ways. (Rom. 8:9, Rom. 8:26-27, Isa. 11:2, Isa. 61:1, 2 Sam. 23:2). The words of God in the bible never actually say the Holy Spirit is a man who will come down from heaven in the flesh. So why make such a claim? We are only deceiving ourselves and going beyond what is written.

  I have made this post so that we can further discuss this matter. I don't mean using our words carefully and cleverly to make something sound true because it "makes sence". If it is not coming from the words of God in either, Jehova, Jesus or the Holy Spirit, then we should make no such claims. This post is strictly to discuss the "Holy Spirit and the bride", using the words of God in the bible. Not assumptions or clever tactics. People should be free to test the spirits (1 John 4:1), and not be brainwashed using a cetain "system" to get someone to believe in something.

[emil]

[emil]

good post serg.

[serg]

The versus used by the WMSCOG when they go preach about the bride who is "mother" are Rev. 22:17, then Rev. 21:9-10 and lastly Gal. 4:26 And sometimes the occasional Gen. 1:26-27, John 1:29 and John 7:37-38.

Let's examine this carefuly. The reason they must go first to Rev. 22:17 is to introduce the "bride" and that you need the water of life. They must preach a certain way inorder for people to buy what they are saying. If the members go ofcourse the people may not believe. Here in Rev. 22:17, they get people to asnwer who the bride is. Ofcourse the answers people provide are always wrong, and the members go on to explain what is the bride. This is when they go to Rev. 21:9-10.

Take note, that they never actually go directly to Galations 4:26. They don't just go there and tell them on the spot that there is a mother Jerusalem. They must break you down first. They must get you to think. And what happens most the time, is they twist your thinking with their questions. Like "how can this bride be the church if she's giving the water of life?" "The church cannot give the water of life" People then might agree because it makes sence. Yet in Rev. 22:17 it never says the bride is actually giving the water of life. But no one really questions what the verse really says because "hey it makes sence". Why does it make sence? It's because of the way the preaching of this verse is worded. The wording makes a big difference wether someone might believe or not.

Ofcourse, the current members might claim this is not true and that they just preach and "f & m" open their hearts. This is nonsence, because I was once a member and used all these tactics. Then when they go to Rev. 21:9-10 they go on to insist that a literal city cannot be the bride of Christ and that it doesn't make sence for a city to come down out of heaven. Comepletely ignoring what the verse actually says with their rewording and questions given to the people. People now will agree that "yea you're right it doesn't make sence for that to be" Then the question pops up, of who then is this bride mentioned in Rev.? By the time they take you to Gal.4:26 you have already been broken down. Already going by what they say. Without you really questioning and re reading the verses further because what they say makes sence so why not hear them out.

Now when they finally take you to Galations 4:26, you are already aware that the "Jerusalem in heaven is the bride of Christ"  and cannot be a literal city or the church and you must come to the bride to recieve the water of life. If they cannot convince you yet, they might refer to those other verses I mentioned. Keep in mind that the stratagy here is to convince you to believe what the members say. So you become suprised and shocked that the Jerusalem above is our "heavenly mother", because the bible clearly states this in Gal. 4:26. There is a problem here, because they took this verse out of context. Notice how they don't show you the verses above it. Like Gal. 4:24 which basically shows us what Pual is actually talking about and what he's reffering to.

"But the Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother" The bible clearly testifies we have a heavenly mother and she is the bride of Christ. We must come to her to recieve the water of life. This is usually the ending phrase the WMSCOG uses. Think about it. The bible doesn't actually testify we have a heavenly mother if you actually read the verses above and below Gal. 4:26. Yes the verse does say there is a Jerusalem above and she is our mother. However, please read the verses above it to understand what Paul is actually explaining to the church. But people agree to what the members say becuase it "makes sence". Well if they hadn't carefully worded their preaching, then people wouldn't come to believe.

Anyone have anything else to add? Feel free to continue to examine the "Spirit and the bride"…

[Disturbed]

Awesome Serg! Glad to see some things in different zions are the same. I preached exactly the same way. If the “contact” wasn’t getting it from Rev 22:17, 21:9-10 and then Galatians 4:26…I would most definitely hit em with Gen 1:26-27. I would break into the whole Jerusalem mother study and throw in seal of god for good measure (depending on how much time they’d listen). You gotta “scare” them into thinking they need the seal and then they “want” to study more.

[emil]

Keep up the good work serg. You're doing great.

[Sarah2013]

Serg, nice one. I often wondered about Ahang being the Holy Spirit and how that correlates with the book of Acts, especially on the day of Pentecost. That was very confusing to me.

[searchingfortruth]

Serg this is great!! your so right!! They have tried so many times to teach me the bride. I still do not get it!!