[Emily]

So God would return and be baptized into the SDA church?  Doesn't make sense.  Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQOQE79jmo

[Elievalkyrie]

[Elievalkyrie]

What is?

[Elievalkyrie]

Anyway, I discussed Isaiah 40 with my church leader and he told me that Isaiah 40 was referring to the end of days. So that means it is related to the 2nd coming of Jesus, not His first coming. If you can accept that then that solves the Isaiah 40. lol. Well, if you look at it, it really does somehow relates to Revelation.

[Simon]

He is calling John  a liar… both of them

[Elievalkyrie]

Could you please explain that vague statement of yours? I am not a mind reader you know.

[Simon]

I already posted a verse where John the Baptist said he was fulfilling the verse with Jesus

[WMS brother]

The order of events as they happened are misunderstood here, and are being misrepresented.

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The SDA is the fulfillment of the prophecy determining the time when the truth would be returned to mankind.

There was a humongous cult movement following that prophecy. And it turned out to be true, but not like they expected.

Instead of the kingdom of heavign "coming" in the fire and brimstone sense, the SDA was founded, and the Word of God was returned to man by the SDA shortly after the cult dissapated.

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Later as a regular mortal Joe, Ahn Sahng Hogn joined the SDA, thoguh he was secretly God.

God waited until the appointed time to do this, being baptised at "about 30" as it is written in the bible. Then BEGAN faithfully with the SDA, and only -afterwards- began to separate after much collaborative work and research had been done, as he was writing books about the Feasts and all manner of regulations.

Which, by the way, any such work for God, or any work that is helping a servant of God, is considered to be "Preaching". You get credit for pretty much anything as long as its gospel related.

[Elievalkyrie]

Are you talking about verse 3? A voice of one calling: "In the wilderness prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God"? What does this have to do with anything?

[WMS brother]

Research the "end of the world" cult that happened immeditely prior to the SDA's founding, I forget off the top of my head, but the entire theory of their prophecies were very accurate.

Point in case the SDA was founded.

Too bad for them the world didn't also end, they assumed a little bit too much.

[Joshua]

And yet history proves the founders of the SDA cult to be false prophets. I don't see how someone elses "end of the world" prophesy changes that fact. If they were a false prophet then how would time change that especially knowing that many of the false origional teachings are still being used and taught? Was the point you were trying to make is that the SDA cult somehow got it right? Please help me/us understand how.

[fromtheotherside]

Hi everyone been awhile been busy, now it looks like we are talking about SDA, so many more comments since I was on a break.  But let me ask you guys something.  So because, 'people' claim SDA as a cult, all there teachings are wrong?? So what makes your teachings correct and their's wrong??  We can prove what elie or Genny teaches is wrong and vice versa, because it is all interpretation.  It's easy to prove something wrong especially with the bible, So what makes them a cult and you guys not a cult, I don't really see the difference here.  You guys are destructive also, and you guys do the same type of things.  You guys teach wrong info and you guys feel they do.  Really no difference between you and them..

[Simon]

A false prophettess cannot form a true church can she?

[Elievalkyrie]

Hi FTOS, welcome back. I think you have the wrong idea of what a cult means. Being a cult doesn't mean that ALL their teachings are wrong. I have actually sent in your private message the cult characteristics taken from experts. It is for you to assess your own religion or other religions for that matter whether they fit that criteria or not.

If you are interested, you can read this website to know more about cult definitions: http://www.cultwatch.com/cults.html

[fromtheotherside]

True church? who said they were a true church we never teach that.  But you guys are saying that all there teachings are wrong because they are a cult. So again what makes you guys right and them wrong??

Certainly being a false prophet does not necessarily make all their teachings wrong.  I know a lot of False christian prophets teaching sunday worship then are they wrong also? 

Also is teaching that the world will end a bad thing, so what she got the time wrong, we all make mistakes don't we?  teaching the world will end is not a sin, John the baptist preached it all the time, and so did jesus, "repent for the kingdom of heaven is near" if heaven is near that means the world will end.  

So I guess you guys have no faults what so every huh, Elie???

[KF]

fromtheotherside wrote:

True church? who said they were a true church we never teach that.  But you guys are saying that all there teachings are wrong because they are a cult. So again what makes you guys right and them wrong??

Certainly being a false prophet does not necessarily make all their teachings wrong.  I know a lot of False christian prophets teaching sunday worship then are they wrong also? 

Also is teaching that the world will end a bad thing, so what she got the time wrong, we all make mistakes don't we?  teaching the world will end is not a sin, John the baptist preached it all the time, and so did jesus, "repent for the kingdom of heaven is near" if heaven is near that means the world will end.  

So I guess you guys have no faults what so every huh, Elie???

 

 

if your refering to your mother here, then you really are from the other side, the real far side, and I don't think your coming back.  IMHO

God is never wrong!

[Elievalkyrie]

fromtheotherside wrote:

True church? who said they were a true church we never teach that.  But you guys are saying that all there teachings are wrong because they are a cult. So again what makes you guys right and them wrong??

Can you repost one comment here that claims that ALL the teachings of wmscog is wrong because they are a cult? I have not made that claim so who did?

Certainly being a false prophet does not necessarily make all their teachings wrong.  I know a lot of False christian prophets teaching sunday worship then are they wrong also? 

Also is teaching that the world will end a bad thing, so what she got the time wrong, we all make mistakes don't we?  teaching the world will end is not a sin, John the baptist preached it all the time, and so did jesus, "repent for the kingdom of heaven is near" if heaven is near that means the world will end.  

So I guess you guys have no faults what so every huh, Elie???

There is a difference between "teaching" wrongly and "prophesied" wrongly. You can teach wrongly, but you cannot prophesied wrongly because you will lose your credibility. Considering the fact that there are 2 failed predictions now from wmscog, 1 from Ahn 1988 and 1 from wmscog 2012, this makes people lose trust in you. 

As I have mentioned earlier, the characteristics of a cult are:

 

1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.
2.  The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
3.  The group is preoccupied with making money.
4.  Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
5.  Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
6.  The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).
7.  The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity)
8.  The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.
9.  The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).
10.  The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).
11.  The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.
12.  Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.
13.  Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group. 
14.  Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

Can you say that the wmscog doesn't possess this characteristics?

[Simon]

Ellen Gould White LIED about the sacred calendar as a basis to build the church.

[Jay]

Elievalkyrie wrote:

fromtheotherside wrote:

Also I don't think "everyone" or "all" means the whole world.  Because that means as Joshua stated "everyone will confess with their tongues he is the Lord" Does that mean the will all be saved, the whole world no one will go to hell? because in the bible it says "whoever confesses with their lips that chirst is the saviour will be saved." 

The "everyone" here only pertains to the sheeps(true believers) and only the people who hears God's call. I think the bible plainly states that majority will go to Hell and only a selected few will go to Heaven.

Hi there,

Actually every eye will see Hm as the scripture says.. 

 2 Thessalonians 2:8  (KJV)

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Take care

-Jay

[Jay]

Simon wrote:

Ellen Gould White LIED about the sacred calendar as a basis to build the church.

This is a typical rant.  Once someone finds they cannot dispute SDA doctrine from the scripture, they attack the prophet.  No one is asking you to beleive Ellen White..  She is your problem, not ours as I see it. 

Regarding 10/22, the simple answer is that those early Adventists relied solely on the Calendar in the Heavens. That is, they used the first new moon after the Vernal (Spring) Equinox to begin their counting of the days and months.

The traditionalist Jews (who use calculations only, and are frequently out of sync with the visible new moon and the Vernal Equinox), and the Karaite Jews (who go by the observation of the ripening stage of the barley in the fields in conjunction with the then present new moon), who say that Sept. 23 was the date that their groups celebrated the Day of Atonement in 1844, had to come to that conclusion by using the new moon cycle which occurred before the Vernal Equinox (which is about March 21) as their starting date.

 

Conclusion: If you study it out, you will actually find that both of those views (jewish traditionalist and the Karaite Jews are wrong.)  We do not have to rely on other men to be our conscience, that would be just as bad as these cults this site is exploiting exposing.   God gave us brains.  We can do the math ourselves.

[Joshua]

Hi Jay, would you be so kind as to explain this for me.

"that would be just as bad as these cults this site is exploiting."

It's from your posting above. I'm not sure how we would be "exploiting" from these cults. Exploiting insinuates some kind of benefit we would be taking from these groups. I'm not trying to attack and maybe you meant to use a different word I'm just curious. Thank you.

[Jay]

Joshua wrote:

Hi Jay, would you be so kind as to explain this for me.

"that would be just as bad as these cults this site is exploiting."

It's from your posting above. I'm not sure how we would be "exploiting" from these cults. Exploiting insinuates some kind of benefit we would be taking from these groups. I'm not trying to attack and maybe you meant to use a different word I'm just curious. Thank you.

I see your point.  I meant exposing.  Thank you!