The False Statements of Missionary Ron Ramos

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  • #7353
    144000
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    There have been some contentious issues about whether or not Ron said some of the things he said.

    Let us examine direct quotes from Ron, compare them to the statements of others, and compare them to what happened in reality.

    According to Ron @ 11:29 "in the early days we didn't have any black members at all"

    I know several black members that joined the truth before Ron, and some of them are even deacons or higher. This statement is objectively false. Lets see what other people think about it:

    Truth says "Ron NEVER said there were NO Blacks in the church!"

    Some people didn't actually pay attention to what Ron said, and they distort it. But good going Truth, your adament vote of confidence is partially correct, we did have black members.

    Freedfromreseda says "I too know the names & ranks of the early black members in reseda. A couple of them are still there."

    You heard it here first, folks, even non-believers admit that Ron was lying when he said "we didn't have any black members at all".

    So what else did Ron say?

    According to Ron @ 11:55 "And they said directly that canaan was cursed always which is why black people are cursed and they can never enter heaven"

    The same "early day" black members spoken of @ 11:29 are the exact same ones who proclaimed not only their own salvation, but salvation to others. Our church has always offered salvation to all persons and has never descriminated against blacks. You who are in the WMSCOG know theese black members by name, and so does the forum member Freedfromreseda.

    We can see clearly that Ron wasn't telling the truth about how we view black people, everyone is promised eternal life regardless of skin color! You know it, WMSCOG members, you know the black elders and the white elders; and their stories match.

    So what else did Ron say?

    According to Ron @ 12:16 "we were told actually pretty recently probably about two years before I left we were all taken into a room and we were asked not to preach to black members anymore"

    Here we can see that black members were in fact actually preached to up until this time according to Ron, and we who know them know that they have always been promised eternal life.

    But what about this decree of 2010 from the church not to preach to black members anymore? Did that really happen?

    No, it did not. The church has always recruited black members, they continue to recruit black members, and nobody has ever said to stop preaching to black members. Ron was fibbing about what our church was told to do. We actually have a humongous black community, it is by no means a minority or treated like a minority, you know it and I know it.

    Lets see what other people think of this:

    Freedfromreseda says "maybe the only black deacon they have currently will get a promotion

    Not only do we still preach to blacks, but even non-believers admit some of them even have titles, because we do not have any prejudice against them and we do not treat them differently than anyone else.

    Questioninginla says "This is the issue whether or not Ron lied or forgot."

    We can see over and over Ron is tripping over his own lies in addition to many more, but you WMSCOG members from the "early days", from 2005, and even now, all of you know that there was no "end of the world" statement given for 2012 and that some seriously unstable people are continuing to lie as they already have.

    Lets see what other people think about Ron's message:

    Truth says "Diane and Ron told the truth"

    Sarah2013 says "Ron is not the liar here"

    Emil says "Speaking of the claim that Ron is lying, I don't see what the problem is."

    Uh oh, I think there are some people who would like to amend their statements here.

    Reply below to discuss.

  • #62235

    fromtheotherside
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    To Genny, Test it? No sorry dear, it's call discernment.  That you receive from God.

    #62236

    fromtheotherside
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    emil wrote:

    FTOS – It is good that you keep harping on Mt 16:18 and genny has already remarked on it. That verse says that the church which Jesus founded on Peter will never be destroyed. But your church says it was until Ahn came along.

    Emil get with the program, Genny and I have past that way back when.  You really need to listen and think before talking out of your southern volcano. 

    "Also there will be a wicked generation who will ask for signs and miracles but they will not recieve any." Where did you get that?

    I looked up all the gospels to see where Jesus said anything like it and here's what I found.

    Jn 4:48 – “Unless you people see signs and wonders,” Jesus told him, “you will never believe.”

    Mt 12:39 and Mt 16:4 – He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

    Luke 11:29 – As the crowds increased, Jesus said, This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.

    You might notice that in all cases Jesus was talking about his contemporary generation. It is also pertinent to note that you are the guys always talking about signs.

    Great go find more!

    #62237

    fromtheotherside
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    fromtheotherside wrote:

    serg wrote:

    Disturbed I was told the same thing. Also in a meeting with youth members. We were told not to preach to gays. This was 100% directly told to us. Also about people with disabilites or they were homeless, unless we were to take care of them and bring them to zion ourselves, that we should not preach to them. These were not some rumors spreading around, they told us this directly.

    And the false part is where.  If you brought in a disabled person she he is your responciblity.  Don't preach to Gays.  So the problem lies where? To put it softly your idiots.

    Test it all you want but it's not you who can find the answer.  Test away, God already put an ilusion in front of you, so how are you going to get away from that?

    #62238

    emil
    Participant

    ^ True to form again. Afraid to respond to the point and just being abusive. Keep going. Mum is getting happier.

    #62239

    fromtheotherside
    Participant

    Abusive, how am I abusive, emil you are a character. 

    #62240

    fromtheotherside
    Participant

    O and hurry and reply to my polite invitation instead of being rude.

    #62241

    Simon
    Participant

    You’re the one with delusions not us

    #62242

    serg
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    Just like you current members are on these websites, why not encourage all the other members to come take a look? Since you people seem like your strong in your faith that you come here despite this being like the "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil". But ofcourse, you can't do that. You wouldn't encourage other members to come I bet, and yet you are here? Isn't this disobeying mother last time I checked?

    #62243

    fromtheotherside
    Participant

    Please stop your whining serggy, you are very very ignorant.  It's just painful to see someone sooooo ignorant.  serggy!

    #62244

    emil
    Participant

    fromtheotherside wrote:

    Abusive, how am I abusive, emil you are a character. 

    Go back and read your reply to me. In this post you are just plain vulgar. Elsewhere today, you have been abusive. If you cannot even recognize it then it speaks a lot about your church.

    Serg, this guy never answers to refute a point. He just makes personal remarks as you will notice after a while.

    #62245

    Harry
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    Questioninginla wrote:

    144000 wrote:

    It takes an hour or two hours to go through a single study and understand it in full without neglecting anything to the point that you can say "I understand it and I have no misinterpretations". If you hear something over the course of a conversation that takes one minute or two minutes, I can absolutely garauntee you that you did not understand the full breadth of the study which is the reason behind what you were just instructed.

    I have offered instruction in Zion, I have in fact accepted the offer to teach where asked. Nobody can deny this.

    cut & paste Moonies

    cut & paste Jehovahs

    /yawn

    I'm bored with this one.

    Hey Q-ball, you forgot The Mormons, they are almost exactly the same as these guys. ps. don't you hate it when a nickname sticks. 

    #62246

    Disturbed
    Participant

    Moonies: Mother & Father gods from korea, lots of arranged marriages, father god of this organization got in some money trouble with the government

    Jehovah Witnesses: Dont celebrate bdays, christmas & other pagan holidays, go door to door preaching, make your own magazines & literature with your false doctrine, shun members who leave the group (even if they live in the same household)

    Mormons: Have false "truth books" in addition to the bible, have a Mother too, have a false prophet who claims to have recieved revelation from Jesus, dont admit black people until you realize some black people can put their money in to advance the church

    SDA: keep sabbath, preach Daniel's prophecy and Revelation's prophecy

     

    Oh just pick and choose a little bit from each group and what do you get? Oh yeah…WMSCOG

    #62247

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    What a great poem, Disturbed. 🙂

    #62248

    Disturbed
    Participant

    I did like WMSCOG…I stole it from the post above mine. Should I put my name on it and publish it from my own publishing company? LOL

    #62249

    Questioninginla
    Participant

    Disturbed wrote:

    Moonies: Mother & Father gods from korea, lots of arranged marriages, father god of this organization got in some money trouble with the government

    Jehovah Witnesses: Dont celebrate bdays, christmas & other pagan holidays, go door to door preaching, make your own magazines & literature with your false doctrine, shun members who leave the group (even if they live in the same household)

    Mormons: Have false "truth books" in addition to the bible, have a Mother too, have a false prophet who claims to have recieved revelation from Jesus, dont admit black people until you realize some black people can put their money in to advance the church

    SDA: keep sabbath, preach Daniel's prophecy and Revelation's prophecy

    Oh just pick and choose a little bit from each group and what do you get? Oh yeah…WMSCOG

    Q-ball say: silence from FTOS,1004, and 144k is deafening.

    Prediction: "how dare you" and similar comments from these 3 blind mice.

    Speaking of new nicknames….*musical notes*

    #62250

    Harry
    Participant

     

    Q-ball say: silence from FTOS,1004, and 144k is deafening.

    Prediction: "how dare you" and similar comments from these 3 blind mice.

    Speaking of new nicknames….*musical notes*

    Q-Ball, you are long overdue for a "Stainey" I will personally nominate you to the "Stainmaster"

    As for F-Ball and his 2 Goof-Ball alter egos aka the "3 blind mice" I think they cut his pay after you pummeled him in the last couple of bouts They are probably only paying him for 3 days a week and since he isn't really a member there is no reason for him to come back for free. None of his personalities sound like real members to me. What do you think?

    #62251

    Stained
    Participant

    144000 wrote:

    It is written do not talk to such people like you, do not even eat with them.

    It is also written to make defense against the slanders made of Christ and destroy any argument.

    I observe the latter until it is no longer necessary, and curb my tongue with the former when my defense reaches such a point.

    It is also written to teach all people, I do so liberally and my first instruction to teach you would be to cease posting here and repent in Zion.

    If you do not, it is not my fault that you neglect the word of God, your blood is not on my hands, you have been warned.

    But I see you too love to criticize people while you are negligent of the bible's teachings. You take only one little bit or piece of it and pretend to know, while we attempt to practice it in full.

    Not even your own fake god agrees with you.  [You follow the teachings of Umm, Soo In, not Ashy.] <


    UNDERSTAND THAT.  All the books are now in English @ NCP and included are the deleted / missing chapters. GET A JOB and throw away your BCG's.  All the bullshit came after the old man died.  It's obvious and not even debatable.  Not that there wasn't bullshit before he died.  Ash is dead under a Grave marked Elijah.  They even hid that as long as they could.  Now, I'll take a double with extra onion / pickle, no mustard, chili cheese fries and a small Coke. Make that to go, it stinks in here.   

    #62252

    Simon
    Participant

    They really follow eom suin even her name is an example to them

    #62253

    Stained
    Participant

    Harry wrote:

     

    Q-ball say: silence from FTOS,1004, and 144k is deafening.

    Prediction: "how dare you" and similar comments from these 3 blind mice.

    Speaking of new nicknames….*musical notes*

    Q-Ball, you are long overdue for a "Stainey" I will personally nominate you to the "Stainmaster"

    As for F-Ball and his 2 Goof-Ball alter egos aka the "3 blind mice" I think they cut his pay after you pummeled him in the last couple of bouts They are probably only paying him for 3 days a week and since he isn't really a member there is no reason for him to come back for free. None of his personalities sound like real members to me. What do you think?

    As per the nomination of the Good Priest Harry, I, the all mighty, all knowing, all seeing, omnipotent,  STAINED <smile when you say that>do hereby grant Q-Ball the Coveted *****[STAINEY AWARD FOR JOURNALISTIC EXCELLENCE] *****

    I Baptize thee, in the name of the Stained, Harry, and the Holy Michele.  Amen…..

     In addition, your handle in now recorded in Stained's "Book of Life"  Congratulations.  

    Let us all sing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET3-t1jFmo0 

    #62254

    Stained
    Participant

    Simon wrote:

    They really follow eom suin even her name is an example to them

    Hey Poindexter.  How you doing ?

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