[Elievalkyrie]

This just in guys! I chatted with my brother thru facebook and I gave him a site that says something about "Emperor Constantine" not abolishing the Sabbath day and that Christians started worshipping in Sundays 288 years even before Constantine was born. (http://www.trektorome.com/did-constantine-abolish-the-sabbath-in-321-a-d/)

This is his UNBELIEVABLE REPLY: It doesn't matter who did it, the important thing was that someone did abolish it thus fulfilling the prophecy in the Bible. Believe the Bible, not the people that spread the lies" It was really, really at the tip of my tongue to ask him if he was an idiot, but I held it in since I've read that I couldn't convince him that way. But really, can't he get anymore stupidier in joining that stupid cult?

So I asked him (as uninsulting as I could), But how did you know that Constantine did it? What is your proof that it is not a lie? Do you have a book or something that confirms it? He STUPIDLY replied again, "DUH! It's in the Bible, it's a prophecy, you can't really know who would do it. That's why its called a prophecy!"

I think I just pulled most of my hairs off out of exasperation. If the situation wasn't so funny, I would have cried myself to death!!

[Elievalkyrie]

[Elievalkyrie]

Simon wrote:

I don't know how to phrase this well but

• if it was abolished and necessary other curches keep the "feasts and days" as WMSCOG does so recognizing they abolishment cannot be a sign of "the one true church"
• if the church were run by "God the Mother" she would be able to tell us the correct who and when(omniscient) and would do so (cannot lie) but does not do so (321-325/538-1798 conflict)
• even if the prophecy was fulfilled in abolishing "seven feasts" and sabbath WMSCOG cannot be one true church

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These are very good points, Simon. How I wish my bro would just, for once, "LISTEN". But like what our fellow member said (warrior), he just believes what he wants to believe and what he doesn't want to believe, he blocks out. That's what makes this so frustrating.

[Simon]

Does he believe Zahng Gil Jah is God? Does he believe Ahn Sahng Hong is God?

[Elievalkyrie]

Yep, he believes pretty much everything they tell him and defended it with so much fervor that it scared me. *Sigh

[Simon]

Do you have a copy of "the green book" Mystery of God and Spring of the Water of Life? Does your brother(if you know)?

[Elievalkyrie]

I don't have a copy but I think my brother does last time I saw. He just borrows from a fellow member so I don't know if he still has it. Anyway he can borrow it anytime he wants. Why?

[Simon]

Well the WMSCOG (here at any rate) teaches that the words of Ahn Sahng Hong are too sacred to trust the nonbeliever to have and so we (they) shouldn't share the 'books of truth' with them   BUT the preface to the green book makes it clear Ahn Sahng Hong intended those outside his church to read and invites them to come with questions. I can find the exact quote if I can find my copy should be lying around somewhere

[Elievalkyrie]

Hmmm… we are not forbidden to talk about it to other people, my brother just warned me not to talk about it without being "armed" with enough knowledge. So I guess I can't point this out to him since I was not exactly forbidden.

[LUV]

Elievalkyrie wrote:

Simon wrote:

Elievalkyrie wrote:

LOL. Does it really matter what Simon says? No pun intended.

Ha… ha! 😛

Not so sure if this was sarcastic or not because of the smiley with the tongue out but i'm going to give you a benefit of a doubt. LoL. So you have anything to answer to my question, ex-wmscog Simon? hehe.

 @Elievalkyrie to me it does, because Simon seems to be changing his answers around, so I call it like I see it.  No pun intended ha ha 😛

[Elievalkyrie]

LOL. Point taken Luv. ^___________^

[Simon]

oh okay a difference zion to zion lol

[Simon]

LUV wrote:

Elievalkyrie wrote:

Simon wrote:

Elievalkyrie wrote:

LOL. Does it really matter what Simon says? No pun intended.

Ha… ha! 😛

Not so sure if this was sarcastic or not because of the smiley with the tongue out but i'm going to give you a benefit of a doubt. LoL. So you have anything to answer to my question, ex-wmscog Simon? hehe.

 @Elievalkyrie to me it does, because Simon seems to be changing his answers around, so I call it like I see it.  No pun intended ha ha 😛

The only thread I can find that says anything about mother and overseers and fathers coming is Kim saying I said it.

[Elievalkyrie]

Okay, since we're back to this topic I'm gonna do a repost. I just want to find out if what the wmscog said about Anhs arrival. Would he be coming to destroy us all *joke* or what? What about the going of his "wife"? I want to know about their "prophesied" end of the world, if there is any, so I can celebrate when it doesn't happen. LOL. 

Take note that I said WHEN, not IF. Hehe.

[LUV]

Simon wrote:

Well the WMSCOG (here at any rate) teaches that the words of Ahn Sahng Hong are too sacred to trust the nonbeliever to have and so we (they) shouldn't share the 'books of truth' with them   BUT the preface to the green book makes it clear Ahn Sahng Hong intended those outside his church to read and invites them to come with questions. I can find the exact quote if I can find my copy should be lying around somewhere

 TRUE THAT SIMON!

The preface consist of  5 parargraphs, I'm going to break it down with a few sentences from each

 PERFACE

 This book is about the last secrets of God, which have been hidden only for the last remnant, as it is written in Mal4:5-6

 Now, the time has come and the everlasting Kingdom of God is near, so all the secrets sealed in the bible must be revealed (Rev 10:7, 22:10)

 Whoever thrist for the truth needs to study this book.  This book is worthy to be read not only by general believers but also by pastors and professors of theological schools. As it was at the time of John the Baptist and Jesus's first coming, so will it be in the last days.  The last truth will not come from a big church, but it will be shouted in the wilderness.

Now is the time of the end to gather the elect from all sides.  Whoever thirst for the truth, please study this book.  If you cannot understand it fully, visit us without hesitation.  Face to face study will lead you to a better understanding.

As you see in the contents, these are the secrets of God, which you could never learn in general churches or theological schools.  Whoever studies this book will understand it completly.  And whoever wants to do the will of God will acknowledge this book as the last notice from God (jn 7:17) please study this book seriously and visit us.

                      The Author, Ahnsahnghong

[Simon]

yay several thouand a $$ year to keep the feasts!

[Simon]

Well hotel tax if they have it would REALLY boom 3x a year (;

[emil]

Simon wrote:

I just thought of something reading your post actually…

WMSCOG uses Daniel 7:25 to say the Catholic Church changed the times and the laws. They teach Sabbath was changed in 321 and Passover in 325 BUT they teach the prophecy was from 538-1798… may be a way you can use that to your advantage.

 

If Constantine had already changed the laws in 321-325 how can the Catholic Church have done it from 538-1798?

I have another point against their Daniel 7 prophecy. The little horn, which they claim is the papacy, appears in Daniel 7:8

Then the Son of man appears on the cloud in Dn 7:13-14. So that is the obvious sequence of events. Now in their explanation about cloud=flesh, Dn 7:13-14 refers to the first coming of Christ. In other words, the little horn came into existence before the first coming of Christ. Obviously it cannot be the papacy.

[Elievalkyrie]

Hey, thanks for this info Emil! i'm gonna try pointing this out to my bro.

[LUV]

Simon wrote:

They never said when Ahn was coming (as of last time I went to WMSCOG) only that this was an important year in prophecy and that the feast of tabernacles would be fulfilled.

this is not what you said in the post "CAN SOMEONE DIE IN THIS GENERATION EVEN IF THEY CELEBRATE THE P/O

YOUR AS OF THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE THEORY SEEMS TO CHANGE EVERY SO OFTEN, WHY SIMON, ARE YOU STILL ONE OF THEM? OR CONFUSE?

[Elievalkyrie]

I think Simon is just a little skeptical on things. Hehe. But with all the talks going on in this site, I wouldn't believe it if a member would still go back to wmscog. Now that would be like suicide.

[Simon]

emil wrote:

Simon wrote:

I just thought of something reading your post actually…

WMSCOG uses Daniel 7:25 to say the Catholic Church changed the times and the laws. They teach Sabbath was changed in 321 and Passover in 325 BUT they teach the prophecy was from 538-1798… may be a way you can use that to your advantage.

 

If Constantine had already changed the laws in 321-325 how can the Catholic Church have done it from 538-1798?

I have another point against their Daniel 7 prophecy. The little horn, which they claim is the papacy, appears in Daniel 7:8

Then the Son of man appears on the cloud in Dn 7:13-14. So that is the obvious sequence of events. Now in their explanation about cloud=flesh, Dn 7:13-14 refers to the first coming of Christ. In other words, the little horn came into existence before the first coming of Christ. Obviously it cannot be the papacy.

Elievalkyrie wrote:

Hey, thanks for this info Emil! i'm gonna try pointing this out to my bro.

Ahnsahnghong wrote/explained (allegedly) about how every prophecy is capable of being fulfilled in each "age" so they may try and pull that one, but if it is fulfilled in the age of the Father, and the Age of the Son (RCC/Constantine whomever) who fulfills it in the age of the HS?

I was also told this being "the age of prophecy" every prophecy will have its true fulfillment this age so logically it should be fulfilled this age, idk…

 

Of course no need to bring up the multiple age prophecies unless he brings it up, just something to prepare for if they do. (might be better questions though)