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- October 28, 2013 at 12:56 AM#7479reydelavozParticipant
We have in the Gospel of St. John a robust and meaningful analogy in which Christ is the Bridegroom, the Church is His bride, and St. John the Baptist is the friend of the Bridegroom. The Baptist declared to his followers: “He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled” (John 3:29).
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [Revelation 19:7]
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
… And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, [Revelation 21:2, 9-10]
John said, I am not the Christ, but I am sent before Him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth with joy because of the bridegroom's voice (John 3:28, 29);
the bride denotes the truth of faith of the church; and the bridegroom the good of love of the church, both from the Lord; thus they denote the man of the church with whom good has been conjoined with truths. From all this it is also plain what is meant in the internal sense by the joy and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride in (Isa. 62:5; Jer. 7:34; 16:9; 25:10; 33:11; Rev. 18:23); namely, heaven and the happiness resulting from the conjunction of good and truth with man and angel.
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Revelation 19:7 ESV / Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Matthew 25:6 ESV /
But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
Ephesians 5:25 ESV
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
- October 28, 2013 at 5:07 AM #65121
DisturbedParticipantAre you a current member?
October 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM #65122
reydelavozParticipantno I am not disturbed but my wife is and it is killing me cause she doesnt see how they twist the words and take it out of context. I have done about 2 months of research and that church just twists everything around and my wife doesn't see that the new jerusalem hasn't been fulfilled yet that prophesy will happen after the great tribulation. I pray for her everyday.
October 28, 2013 at 2:58 PM #65123
reydelavozParticipantThe Bride in the Old Testament[wmscog dont take it litteraly wrong interpretations you guys made before you [wmscog] make a claim back it up with the whole bible and dont take things out of context]
In the Old Testament, we find the idea developed that Israel is the “wife” of God. God used this language to convey His message that Israel was “married” to Him but unfaithful. The nation’s unfaithfulness was expressed as spiritual adultery: they deserted Him for false gods, e.g., Baal, Asherah, Molech, etc. Despite these failures, God declared that the nation would return to Him, that they would become what He had purposed for them, and that He would fulfill His covenant promises to them. One day, according to His promise, the entire nation would become priests (Exodus 19.6) and Israel’s marriage and bride status will be restored.
Jeremiah wrote:
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“Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion (Jeremiah 3.14).
31“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people (Jeremiah 31.31-33).
{TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES IN REVELATION] THIS IS USED FOR A FUTURE EVENT FOR THE LAST four CHURCHES…IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET!!!!]
The Bride in Revelation
The book of Revelation reads like an Old Testament book. And for good reason. Most of its symbols and imagery are found in the prophets. To a discerning reader, it should be clear that Jesus’ messages to the assemblies (ἐκκλησία) in Revelation 2-3 were not Christian, i.e., Pauline churches. The language the Lord used towards them has no correspondence to the language or the concepts Paul had received and communicated to Christian churches. John wrote to these seven Jewish assemblies to encourage them in the tribulation they were experiencing (cf.Revelation 1.9). Of the seven cities Jesus mentioned, only three are found elsewhere in the Bible: Ephesus (Acts 18.19, 21, 24, 19.1, 17, 26, 35, 20.16, 17; 1 Corinthians 15.32, 16.8, Ephesians 1.1, 1 Timothy 1.3; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.12), Thyatira (Acts 16.14), and Laodicea (Colossians 2.1, 4.13, 15-16; 1 Timothy 6.21). We have no information about Smyrna, Pergamon, Sardis, or Philadelphia. The interpretation of the events of Revelation remains to happen in the future.
October 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM #65124
reydelavozParticipant32
reydelavoz wrote:
We have in the Gospel of St. John a robust and meaningful analogy in which Christ is the Bridegroom, the people[israelites, jews, gentiles] is His bride, and St. John the Baptist is the friend of the Bridegroom. The Baptist declared to his followers: “He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled” (John 3:29).
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [Revelation 19:7]
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,[the New Jerusalem The Holy city not the holy person] coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.[prepared as a bride it doesnt say it is the bride] Jesus always spoke that he is our husband
The holy city, New Jerusalem: This is the Jerusalem of hope (Hebrews 12:22), the Jerusalem above (Galatians 4:26), the place of our real citizenship (Philippians 3:20).
i. The terms holy and new distinguish the city. Because it is holy and new, it is different from any earthly city. The name Jerusalem gives it continuity with earth, especially with the place of our redemption.
ii. It is significant that this glorious dwelling place of God and His people is described as the holy. Cities are places where there are many people, and people interact with each other. This isn't isolation, but a perfect community of the people of God.
Prepared as a bride adorned for her husband: John uses the most striking, beautiful image he can think of. The most beautiful thing a man will ever see is his bride coming down the aisle, ready to meet him. John says that this is how beautiful the New Jerusalem will be.
Jeremiah 3:32
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them"
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 3:14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you….
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, [Revelation 21:2, 9-10]
John said, I am not the Christ, but I am sent before Him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth with joy because of the bridegroom's voice (John 3:28, 29);
the bride denotes the truth of faith of the believer; and the bridegroom the good of love of the Jesus, both from the Lord; thus they denote the man the believer with whom good has been conjoined with truths. From all this it is also plain what is meant in the internal sense by the joy and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride in (Isa. 62:5; Jer. 7:34; 16:9; 25:10; 33:11; Rev. 18:23); namely, heaven and the happiness resulting from the conjunction of good and truth[faith] with man and angel
Revelation 19:7 ESV / Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Matthew 25:6 ESV /
But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
Ephesians 5:25 ESV
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
October 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM #30469
reydelavozParticipantreydelavoz wrote:
no I am not disturbed but my wife is and it is killing me cause she doesnt see how they twist the words and take it out of context. I have done about 2 months of research and that church just twists everything around and my wife doesn't see that the new jerusalem hasn't been fulfilled yet that prophesy will happen after the great tribulation. I pray for her everyday.
reydelavoz wrote:
32
reydelavoz wrote:
We have in the Gospel of St. John a robust and meaningful analogy in which Christ is the Bridegroom, the people[israelites, jews, gentiles] is His bride, and St. John the Baptist is the friend of the Bridegroom. The Baptist declared to his followers: “He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled” (John 3:29).
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [Revelation 19:7]
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,[the New Jerusalem The Holy city not the holy person] coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.[prepared as a bride it doesnt say it is the bride] Jesus always spoke that he is our husband
The holy city, New Jerusalem: This is the Jerusalem of hope (Hebrews 12:22), the Jerusalem above (Galatians 4:26), the place of our real citizenship (Philippians 3:20).
i. The terms holy and new distinguish the city. Because it is holy and new, it is different from any earthly city. The name Jerusalem gives it continuity with earth, especially with the place of our redemption.
ii. It is significant that this glorious dwelling place of God and His people is described as the holy city. Cities are places where there are many people, and people interact with each other. This isn't isolation, but a perfect community of the people of God.
Prepared as a bride adorned for her husband: John uses the most striking, beautiful image he can think of. The most beautiful thing a man will ever see is his bride coming down the aisle, ready to meet him. John says that this is how beautiful the New Jerusalem will be.
Jeremiah 3:32
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them"
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 3:14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you….
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, [Revelation 21:2, 9-10]
John said, I am not the Christ, but I am sent before Him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth with joy because of the bridegroom's voice (John 3:28, 29);
the bride denotes the truth of faith of the believer; and the bridegroom the good of love of the Jesus, both from the Lord; thus they denote the man the believer with whom good has been conjoined with truths. From all this it is also plain what is meant in the internal sense by the joy and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride in (Isa. 62:5; Jer. 7:34; 16:9; 25:10; 33:11; Rev. 18:23); namely, heaven and the happiness resulting from the conjunction of good and truth[faith] with man and angel
Revelation 19:7 ESV / Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Matthew 25:6 ESV /
But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
Ephesians 5:25 ESV
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
October 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM #65125
reydelavozParticipantreydelavoz wrote:
no I am not disturbed but my wife is and it is killing me cause she doesnt see how they twist the words and take it out of context. I have done about 2 months of research and that church just twists everything around and my wife doesn't see that the new jerusalem hasn't been fulfilled yet that prophesy will happen after the great tribulation. I pray for her everyday.
reydelavoz wrote:
32
reydelavoz wrote:
We have in the Gospel of St. John a robust and meaningful analogy in which Christ is the Bridegroom, the people[israelites, jews, gentiles] is His bride, and St. John the Baptist is the friend of the Bridegroom. The Baptist declared to his followers: “He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled” (John 3:29).
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [Revelation 19:7]
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,[the New Jerusalem The Holy city not the holy person] coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.[prepared as a bride it doesnt say it is the bride] Jesus always spoke that he is our husband
The holy city, New Jerusalem: This is the Jerusalem of hope (Hebrews 12:22), the Jerusalem above (Galatians 4:26), the place of our real citizenship (Philippians 3:20).
i. The terms holy and new distinguish the city. Because it is holy and new, it is different from any earthly city. The name Jerusalem gives it continuity with earth, especially with the place of our redemption.
ii. It is significant that this glorious dwelling place of God and His people is described as the holy city. Cities are places where there are many people, and people interact with each other. This isn't isolation, but a perfect community of the people of God.
Prepared as a bride adorned for her husband: John uses the most striking, beautiful image he can think of. The most beautiful thing a man will ever see is his bride coming down the aisle, ready to meet him. John says that this is how beautiful the New Jerusalem will be.
Jeremiah 3:32
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them"
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 3:14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you….
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, [Revelation 21:2, 9-10]
John said, I am not the Christ, but I am sent before Him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth with joy because of the bridegroom's voice (John 3:28, 29);
the bride denotes the truth of faith of the believer; and the bridegroom the good of love of the Jesus, both from the Lord; thus they denote the man the believer with whom good has been conjoined with truths. From all this it is also plain what is meant in the internal sense by the joy and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride in (Isa. 62:5; Jer. 7:34; 16:9; 25:10; 33:11; Rev. 18:23); namely, heaven and the happiness resulting from the conjunction of good and truth[faith] with man and angel
Revelation 19:7 ESV / Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Matthew 25:6 ESV /
But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
Ephesians 5:25 ESV
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
October 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM #65126
reydelavozParticipantreydelavoz wrote:
The Bride in the Old Testament[wmscog dont take it litteraly wrong interpretations you guys made before you [wmscog] make a claim back it up with the whole bible and dont take things out of context]
In the Old Testament, we find the idea developed that Israel is the “wife” of God. God used this language to convey His message that Israel was “married” to Him but unfaithful. The nation’s unfaithfulness was expressed as spiritual adultery: they deserted Him for false gods, e.g., Baal, Asherah, Molech, etc. Despite these failures, God declared that the nation would return to Him, that they would become what He had purposed for them, and that He would fulfill His covenant promises to them. One day, according to His promise, the entire nation would become priests (Exodus 19.6) and Israel’s marriage and bride status will be restored.
Jeremiah wrote:
“Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion (Jeremiah 3.14).
31“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people (Jeremiah 31.31-33).
{TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES IN REVELATION] THIS IS USED FOR A FUTURE EVENT FOR THE LAST four CHURCHES…IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET!!!!]
The Bride in Revelation
The book of Revelation reads like an Old Testament book. And for good reason. Most of its symbols and imagery are found in the prophets. To a discerning reader, it should be clear that Jesus’ messages to the assemblies (ἐκκλησία) in Revelation 2-3 were not Christian, i.e., Pauline churches. The language the Lord used towards them has no correspondence to the language or the concepts Paul had received and communicated to Christian churches. John wrote to these seven Jewish assemblies to encourage them in the tribulation they were experiencing (cf.Revelation 1.9). Of the seven cities Jesus mentioned, only three are found elsewhere in the Bible: Ephesus (Acts 18.19, 21, 24, 19.1, 17, 26, 35, 20.16, 17; 1 Corinthians 15.32, 16.8, Ephesians 1.1, 1 Timothy 1.3; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.12), Thyatira (Acts 16.14), and Laodicea (Colossians 2.1, 4.13, 15-16; 1 Timothy 6.21). We have no information about Smyrna, Pergamon, Sardis, or Philadelphia. The interpretation of the events of Revelation remains to happen in the future.
October 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM #30468
reydelavozParticipantreydelavoz wrote:
The Bride in the Old Testament[wmscog dont take it litteraly wrong interpretations you guys made before you [wmscog] make a claim back it up with the whole bible and dont take things out of context]
In the Old Testament, we find the idea developed that Israel is the “wife” of God. God used this language to convey His message that Israel was “married” to Him but unfaithful. The nation’s unfaithfulness was expressed as spiritual adultery: they deserted Him for false gods, e.g., Baal, Asherah, Molech, etc. Despite these failures, God declared that the nation would return to Him, that they would become what He had purposed for them, and that He would fulfill His covenant promises to them. One day, according to His promise, the entire nation would become priests (Exodus 19.6) and Israel’s marriage and bride status will be restored.
Jeremiah wrote:
“Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion (Jeremiah 3.14).
31“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people (Jeremiah 31.31-33).
{TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES IN REVELATION] THIS IS USED FOR A FUTURE EVENT FOR THE LAST four CHURCHES…IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET!!!!]
The Bride in Revelation
The book of Revelation reads like an Old Testament book. And for good reason. Most of its symbols and imagery are found in the prophets. To a discerning reader, it should be clear that Jesus’ messages to the assemblies (ἐκκλησία) in Revelation 2-3 were not Christian, i.e., Pauline churches. The language the Lord used towards them has no correspondence to the language or the concepts Paul had received and communicated to Christian churches. John wrote to these seven Jewish assemblies to encourage them in the tribulation they were experiencing (cf.Revelation 1.9). Of the seven cities Jesus mentioned, only three are found elsewhere in the Bible: Ephesus (Acts 18.19, 21, 24, 19.1, 17, 26, 35, 20.16, 17; 1 Corinthians 15.32, 16.8, Ephesians 1.1, 1 Timothy 1.3; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.12), Thyatira (Acts 16.14), and Laodicea (Colossians 2.1, 4.13, 15-16; 1 Timothy 6.21). We have no information about Smyrna, Pergamon, Sardis, or Philadelphia. The interpretation of the events of Revelation remains to happen in the future.
October 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM #65127
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