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When I brought up the COG's end of days predictions, my girl told me that she was taught that no one knew when the end would come. This seems to be a general concensus amongst most christians, that no one knows the day or the hour. I'm sure there's even some scripture I could cite here to back that up. However, reading the 'changes in the green book' article on this site, I came across something odd.
In the 1993 edition, on pp 59-60, Ahnsahnghong says "…by studying the works of Moses we can clearly find out the truth about the relations between Jesus and us and everything that Christ will do in the future and even the appointed day concerning His second coming."
This is changed in the 2010 edition a little bit, to make it fit with the COG's doctrine that ASH was the second coming. Something we'll all agree that he most likely did not believe himself. What hadn't struck me before was the part about "…even the appointed day concering his second coming."
Right there, he said that by studying the Torah that you could somehow divine THE APPOINTED DAY of the return of the messiah. Nevermind that he did or didn't think he was the second coming, doesn't this put him in the same group as the Harold Campings, the Millerites, and the like?
Yet another example of the COG teaching one thing, Ahnsahnghong saying the opposite, and neither of them being anywhere near 'the truth'.
Except if you consider the second coming distinct from the last day (which honestly makes more sense to me) there is no contradiction.
yeah I don't really know complex issues. Technically I am not sure if any verses say that for all time no one will know before hand. But I am inclined to believe we cannot predict with pinpoint accuracy
Members in the Chicago Zion simply said it out loud to people. 2012 is when the Mother is coming to take us to heaven with her! They didn't get the memo, I guess. They let a woman get up in church and proclaim it from the podium last March as well. No one pulled her down from ther and corrected her, why not?
Torah isn't the entirty of Jewish scripture
I don't see any post that says that
by works of moses he means actions not writtings
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Simon wrote:
Torah isn't the entirty of Jewish scripture
But it was noted in the beginning of this thread. In Daniel, the end of days refers to the end of the Babylonian Empire not the end of the Earth as noted in Revelation.
What about the Statue prophecy in Daniel?
Cephas' Brother wrote:
When I brought up the COG's end of days predictions, my girl told me that she was taught that no one knew when the end would come. This seems to be a general concensus amongst most christians, that no one knows the day or the hour. I'm sure there's even some scripture I could cite here to back that up. However, reading the 'changes in the green book' article on this site, I came across something odd.
In the 1993 edition, on pp 59-60, Ahnsahnghong says "…by studying the works of Moses we can clearly find out the truth about the relations between Jesus and us and everything that Christ will do in the future and even the appointed day concerning His second coming."
This is changed in the 2010 edition a little bit, to make it fit with the COG's doctrine that ASH was the second coming. Something we'll all agree that he most likely did not believe himself. What hadn't struck me before was the part about "…even the appointed day concering his second coming."
Right there, he said that by studying the Torah that you could somehow divine THE APPOINTED DAY of the return of the messiah. Nevermind that he did or didn't think he was the second coming, doesn't this put him in the same group as the Harold Campings, the Millerites, and the like?
Yet another example of the COG teaching one thing, Ahnsahnghong saying the opposite, and neither of them being anywhere near 'the truth'.
Seeing as Ahn did try to predict the end of the world in 1988, he would ofcourse state that we can know the appointed day. I wonder how Ahn felt when he died without ever seeing Jesus? Hmm… Anyway, since the wmscog are covering things up, I think they wouldn't admit now that they did try to predict Jesus' second coming.
Cephas' Brother, In answer to your question, I don't know yet what they said their excuse was for the failed prophecy. I believe it will be that people "incorrectly" preached 2012, or that people misunderstood. (Don't know how that would fly, as they said it outright, right in their church service) Another excuse that is probable is that "Mother gave us more time to go out and save more souls." If it is questioned, then the person questioning would be accused of having no faith, or being influenced by Satan. This is my opinion.
Cephas' Brother, would you PM me sometime? Since we have both had a loved on in the Chicago Zion, I would like to ask a few questions, if that is all right with you.
They told us in autumn 2010 that he was supposed to have come previous summer and that Mother had prayed for him to give more time, maybe they did that to set a precedent when 2013 came….
It is kind of funny because I told my relative in 2009 when we discussed 2012 that when it didn't happen they would just say "Mother asked for more time." It wasn't too hard to figure out their excuses ahead of time. I doubt that my relative remembers that conversation. It is tough to remind them, too, because everything I've read says don't ever criticize the church or it drives them deeper into it. Yet, how do you bring it up and get them to realize then? For now, I just don't bring it up. I need to be able to talk to him without arguing.
Well, if you can consider "Yeshua" as God, then the Torah does talk about Him. lol.
hope you see the “begging the question” in that
Except there is a messiah mention in the Tanakh no mesiahs are mentioned in the founding documents.
As I have said, if you consider Yeshua as God then you can say that He is found in the OT coz He and God is one.
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