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Please all those who are still lost and need some solid confirmation or motivation in Christ Jesus: go to the "you of tube" and look up Ronald Kirkland channel.(**** This is the way TRUTH should be Proclaimed.****) Jesus is the only way to the Father. Noone else. Watch all his videos because they are short and sweet. link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFR6x3bxKo_t_1AmF8dHOZw/videos?view=0
It helped me because I was searching all other avenues like aliens and reailty(bogus) magic and all the things man has dreamed up.
WMSCOG members please don't cast stones at all of us who had left for I have witnessed some saying that Satan has taken us out of the True church over there. Don't laugh at a pastor who makes mockery of the worldly views or even of the stupidity of other false churches for in this day and age if Jesus is not your Teacher, than it is false. Think twice about how sharp the sword of your pastor is. Can he say that Jesus is the only way? Well what Jesus said.is no MAN comes to the father except through him Jesus. Even Ahnsanghong knew that with his written book
God is the only Judge of the souls you preach to and of yours. So beware of the words you say in your preaching encounters for I have damned some with my arrogance and I will repent of what I have done and I pray for God to send his angels to those i may have destroyed for he sees what I have done.
Please truly repent of the deeds you have been taught to believe. Jesus is our only teacher. It was religion and politics that killed God our father in the flesh so let us repent for we must believe in the free gift of the Father that he has given, the body of christ. So simple that a child may enter.
We all have sinned and we all fall short. No Good deed or feasts can cover our sins.
Jesus is the perfect offering to God and that is what we are to believe. He is the Savior not the mother and father.
Open your eyes and constantly seek. Seek. It is not about memorizing studies and studies. Listen carefully to Jesus which is in the word. He is the true Prophet and Savior. Babylon stretches further than just in the churches.
Test those spirits. Test my spirit. Test all things and quit asking pastor if something is true. SEEK.
You don't need a Man to tell you what to do. You do it from the heart not because you have to.
Give to ceaser what is ceaser and God what is God, your soul.!!!! Not your money….
God already paid your fare. Jesus is you ticket is your faith for your identification and Father your destination…….Free gift with a light yoke…
Jesus is my lord my savior…God Bless you brothers and sisters.
Again if you want to talk in confidentiality you can contact me privately. I was a San Diego member.
Truthorlies2012 wrote:
Trying to fulfill those laws actually makes you sin more.
Yes, the law was made so that sin would increase and the more laws you try to fulfill, the more you break them. That was why Jesus came and fulfilled all those laws because only God can perfectly obey them. Let me quote one website (http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd26.htm):
"Jesus fulfilled all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer (Rom.10:4-5; Heb. 8:13). To say one is going to keep the Old Testament law because of requirement is to ignore the work that Christ did in our stead in the New Testament covenant."
This is one of the faults the wmscog. They teach their followers to do all the OT covenants to SAVE themselves when the fact is that Jesus already did that for His people. Focusing on the law is like mocking Jesus' sacrifice.
Galatians 3:24-25 clearly states that, "The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."
This does not mean that the laws are all gone, most still morally stands but Jesus simplified it with the two Golden commandments in which we love God and our neighbors.
But the wmscog clearly just use the Scripture for their own gain because in following the OT covenants, they get to have 10% of the income of their followers. The "tithe" is popularly used by religious cults and cult leaders turns into a instant billionaire in a fairly easy rate of time just by receiving the "tithes and offerings" which the deceived followers give to them in good faith.
never seen a church that doesn’t do tithe myself
Every church do tithes but it is not required anymore that you must give 10% of your income. The "moral" of the tithe still stands and that is to give back what God has given you, but the 10% requirement is not needed anymore.
Question: Does the wmscog required money to be give as tithe or can you give some things to be considered tithe as well?
I have read this article here about the topic of giving tithes with biblical basis:
"Tithing for Israel is not the same as the tithe that we hear of today– in fact tithing was rarely money. There were three tithes in the Old Covenant. More often tithes were the crops, the produce of the soil was to be tithed, grains, the fruit of the trees, every year new wine and oil, the firstborn of their herds and flocks (Leviticus 27:30-33). If the place the nation of Israel were to tithe and was too far away to carry their goods (such as Jerusalem), it could be exchanged for money. They were to use their money to buy anything the owner chose: cattle, sheep, wine (Deuteronomy 14:22-26). Every third year the tithe was to be reserved as a festival tithe where they brought out all the tithe, and their produce where the Levite, the stranger, the orphan, the widow, the poor who were in their town, could come and eat and be content (Deuteronomy 14:28-29; 26:12-15). You can expect not to see those who teach tithing as an obligation to practice the third year tithe.
"Today we hear that we are to obey the tithe law. The tithes were not gifts, they were taxes, tithes were given in addition to other numerous offerings which ended up to be over 22% (not just 10%). Under the law if you were only giving 10 percent on your tithes you would still be robbing God. One tithe was used to support the Levites (Numbers 18:21-32), who were not allowed to own property like the other tribes of Israel. However, this tithe from the people brought to the Levitical priests was not just money. The goods the Levites received would provide their living for their work in the tabernacle. They also were to tithe on part of the goods that they received, and were to dedicate to the Lord a tenth to the office of the high priest (Numbers 18:21-28). It was the Levites who were to “bring up the tenth of the tithes to the house of our God, to the chambers of the storehouse” (Nehemiah 10:38). The Malachi passage that so many use to prove we are to tithe is not rebuking the people, he is rebuking the Levites for keeping the tithe that went to them. When modern day prosperity teachers use this verse on the people to be faithful, but they are really pointing at themselves-except they are biblically ignorant to recognize what it's actually saying."
You'll notice that those promoters of tithing will always use the Old covenant law to justify their teaching this method of blessing. What the prosperity teachers do is bring people out from grace and under law. Under the New Testament covenant there is no specific amount required to give, you determine the amount you can freely give. “Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
One cannot conclude tithing is required under the New Covenant the same as the Lord's Supper and Baptism. Not once does any epistle contain any admonitions or a rebuke for failing to tithe. The necessity of giving is mentioned but only with the right attitude, to help and support others.
The article seems a bit off.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
You'll notice that those promoters of tithing will always use the Old covenant law to justify their teaching this method of blessing. What the prosperity teachers do is bring people out from grace and under law. Under the New Testament covenant there is no specific amount required to give, you determine the amount you can freely give. “Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
One cannot conclude tithing is required under the New Covenant the same as the Lord's Supper and Baptism. Not once does any epistle contain any admonitions or a rebuke for failing to tithe. The necessity of giving is mentioned but only with the right attitude, to help and support others.
ELIE MEANS HOUSE ON FIRE !!!!! YOU GO GIRL !!!!!
Stained, stop that will you? I am not aftering praise here. LOL.
Simon, can you point out where the article seems a bit off to you?
not sure where they got the 22% from also the nonlevite tithe would a arguably be like charity outside the church which most encourage
as far as the claim Malachi is addressing levites that doesn’t make sense it says the tithe is theirs so how could they rob them?
Elievalkyrie wrote:
"Today we hear that we are to obey the tithe law. The tithes were not gifts, they were taxes, tithes were given in addition to other numerous offerings which ended up to be over 22% (not just 10%).
This topic pertains to the things that happens today. Some religions, especially cults practice this. I've read one destructive cult that takes even up to 90% of their members income.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
The Malachi passage that so many use to prove we are to tithe is not rebuking the people, he is rebuking the Levites for keeping the tithe that went to them.
Are you referring to this one? I think the writer means to point out that the Levites are not only to receive the tithes but upon receiving, they were also required to offer their own tithes (10%) to God. They also were to tithe on part of the goods that they received, and were to dedicate to the Lord a tenth to the office of the high priest
But in Malachi, they are being rebuked because they do not give 10% to God but keep all their "income" from the Israelites to themselves.
I'd need to reread the verse in Malachi I can't remember off hand lol
I actually am not sure which passage in Malachi was used by people to point out the need for tithe. The article did not point out the verse but I have read Malachi and it is indeed the priests that were being rebuked by the Lord.
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