[Truthorlies2012]

Please all those who are still lost and need some solid confirmation or motivation in Christ Jesus:  go to the "you of tube" and look up Ronald Kirkland channel.(****  This is the way TRUTH should be Proclaimed.****) Jesus is the only way to the Father.   Noone else.  Watch all his videos because they are short and sweet. link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFR6x3bxKo_t_1AmF8dHOZw/videos?view=0

It helped me because I was searching all other avenues like aliens and reailty(bogus) magic and all the things man has dreamed up.

WMSCOG members please don't cast stones at all of us who had left for I have witnessed some saying that Satan has taken us out of the True church over there. Don't laugh at a pastor who makes mockery of the worldly views or even of the stupidity of other false churches for in this day and age if  Jesus is not your Teacher, than it is false.  Think twice about how sharp the sword of your pastor is.  Can he say that Jesus is the only way?  Well what Jesus said.is no MAN comes to the father except through him Jesus.  Even Ahnsanghong knew that with his written book

  God is the only Judge of the souls you preach to and of yours.  So beware of the words you say in your preaching encounters for I have damned some with my arrogance and I will repent of what I have done and I pray for God to send his angels to those i may have destroyed for he sees what I have done.

Please truly repent of the deeds you have been taught to believe.  Jesus is our only teacher.  It was religion and politics that killed God our father in the flesh so let us repent for we must believe in the free gift of the Father that he has given, the body of christ.  So simple that a child may enter. 

We all have sinned and we all fall short.  No Good deed or feasts can cover our sins. 

Jesus is the perfect offering to God and that is what we are to believe.  He is the Savior not the mother and father. 

Open your eyes and constantly seek.  Seek.  It is not about memorizing studies and studies.  Listen carefully to Jesus which is in the word.  He is the true Prophet and Savior.  Babylon stretches further  than just in the churches. 

Test those spirits.  Test my spirit. Test all things and quit asking pastor if something is true. SEEK. 

You don't need a Man to tell you what to do.  You do it from the heart not because you have to. 

Give to ceaser what is ceaser and God what is God, your soul.!!!! Not your money….

God already paid your fare. Jesus is you ticket is your faith for your identification and Father your destination…….Free gift with a light yoke…

Jesus is my lord my savior…God Bless you brothers and sisters.

Again if you want to talk in confidentiality you can contact me privately.  I was a San Diego member.

[Truthorlies2012]

[Truthorlies2012]

Here is that youtubee link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFR6x3bxKo_t_1AmF8dHOZw/videos?view=0

[MountainMom]

Truthorlies,

Thank you for your post.  It takes a lot of courage to come out of the wmscog, and then to make a testimony takes even more.  If you would like to talk you can PM me any time.  If I can help in any way I will.

[Truthorlies2012]

Thanks mountainmom…

[KC]

its all about measuring your faith by monetary means  and thats the core real hard truth about wms which im glad u can see, truthorlies.

[Rahab]

Thank you for your candid post.  I agree…keep seeking, keep praying, never give up with God.  People studied their way into this group and they need to study their way out. Sometimes in order to get over a difficult time, one has to go through it first.  People are here to support you in what ever way they can.  All praise and glory goes to God for your testimony.  His steadfast love and faithfullness endure forever.  Amen.

[Elievalkyrie]

KC wrote:

its all about measuring your faith by monetary means  and thats the core real hard truth about wms which im glad u can see, truthorlies.

Let's give a little "checklist" about the truth of wmscog being a cult, shall we? Here it is:

1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.
2. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
3. The group is preoccupied with making money.
4. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
5. Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
6. The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).
7. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity).
8. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.
9. The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).
10. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).
11. The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.
12. Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.  
13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group.
14. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

 

What's the score guys? 14/14? 

[Emily]

Yup 14/14 🙂

[Elievalkyrie]

Emily wrote:

Yup 14/14 🙂

LOL. Can't believe everything is applicable. I'm gonna save this and show it to my brother (still a wmscog member) when we meet again.

[Stained]

Elievalkyrie wrote:

KC wrote:

its all about measuring your faith by monetary means  and thats the core real hard truth about wms which im glad u can see, truthorlies.

Let's give a little "checklist" about the truth of wmscog being a cult, shall we? Here it is:

1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.
2. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
3. The group is preoccupied with making money.
4. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
5. Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
6. The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).
7. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity).
8. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.
9. The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).
10. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).
11. The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.
12. Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.  
13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group.
14. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

 

What's the score guys? 14/14? 

 Waaaaaaaaaah POW ! 14 of 14.

Elie=House on Fire.  Elie, ROCK ON HARD !

[genny]

Yeah, I can see all of them too.  14/14

I'm glad my sis hasns't cut ties with family and friends, but I can think of some goals/plans she gave up that she had been really interested in.

[Sarah2013]

Well said, Stained. Once I was blind but now I see clearly….

[Stained]

Sarah2013 wrote:

Well said, Stained. Once I was blind but now I see clearly….

 Thank you Sarah.  Love that name and it's Biblical to boot !   /; V )

[Sarah2013]

Thank you Stained. That is the reason I like it also.

[Stained]

"EVERYBODY'S FOOL"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u55fpsbzAfk</font&gt;  

[MountainMom]

It was interesting on the Clear View television segment that the former Scientology member said that members in a cult are blind by choice.  I think that was a very interesting comment.  Of course, they underwent undue influence to be convinced to make that choice, in my opinion.

[Simon]

brainwashing takes away choice

[Truthorlies2012]

I don't know what this 14/14 thing is.  It is more important to keep posting the truth of Jesus for their eyes to read.  The water is free to drink for anyone who is willing. FREE.  So instead of having so much focus on  WMS (because there is a lot evidence on this website), focus more on the truth of Jesus.  I found more youtube videos of testimonies of Jesus that I am gonna add soon to this thread.  These testimonies represent the light yoke and love  of  jesus that free us from the chains.

And if you were a member of WMS and you fall out  seek immediately to Jesus.  It took me over a year to comeback to Jesus.  You don't need a church to do it…You are the church.

This may be the year that many will find  spiritual change.  And when you are ready comeback and share you're experience, compare it to the truth of Jesus. 

I am gonna remain anonymous for now but soon I may show myself when I get my faith stronger and make some video if it is Fathers will.

  I did feel like I had chains when I was overthere. So worried all the time about being late to a service, learning a study, guilt for tithes and offering.  Trying to fulfill those laws actually makes you sin more. Especially the group leaders stressing for their group members.  Think about it.    I replaced the worries of the world with the worries of the wms and I would anger towards my wife to hurry before we are late.  then at church I give more respect to them instead of my own family.SIN.  And competetion for study encourages your pride. 

Look into magic also and you may learn that what we have learned from the WMS is performing Magic with the scriptures.  Be Careful..SIN.

And if you know not of these sins, How can you repent for them?

God bless you brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.

[Simon]

not sure where you are getting magic out of wmscog. either way glad you found your way back still seeking but I know he’s there to find

[Truthorlies2012]

Simon,

I am not sure where you stand in your beliefs but I hope you find it.

I have been out of WMS for a year and a few months and ran straight to the World.  Throughout the year afterI left, I bought a house I gambled heavily in the Casino and lost lots of money. Created heavy credit card bills. I was so possesed I spent my whole paycheck in casino and came home crying not a care for my family when I was playing.  I did that 3x or so. Then  I lost my Job last month and this month to find comfort in Jesus.  Today I have no money but God still provides.  Even though I am at my all time low I am happy.  My spirit has gone through a transition and I fear not my situations more so than I feared without Jesus. 

I really want to share these details because as I analyze them I see how God's hand has always pushed me forth.  With al these things happening I may have ran back to WMS because my life literally headed south this year.  I even contemplated that return because we found a WMS preaching card on my car 2 months ago propped up on my sisters 5 mile drive from work standing straight up for me to find in the crevice of her hood when she pulled up.  I mean a business card standing on its side and it remained in that position through her 5 or so mile drive made me think, MIRACLE.  But what force allowed that moment to transpire in my life?  Was it a message from Father or a test from Satan?  I then have to make a choice. How? Seek is what I did and through it I find Truth in Jesus. 

Well heres a joke about my situation:  If they knew I did not have a job and I am now so broke will they take me back?

I can Go on and on but here:

Magic=Illusion.  The Illusion is that ASH and Mother is God.  It is the biggest Magic trick even more so than the Catholic church or any church(not saying all churches are bad but most)..  The WMS uses Science,Religion Politics,Scriptures,News, Works and Time to paint a believable false teaching of the Holy Spirit.  In the bible Abraham once had to challenge the Magicians and sorcerers to display God's Glory.  Magic is being performed by our U.S government as we speak and with our abilities from God we can see through the illusions.

Its magic because they have over 1 million believers in wms..You gotta be Good to make that many people believe. 

So what I am saying is that you can use all those things to prove the bible to be a testament of God and thats what it has done for me.  But it is a long road and it may trouble many into disbelief.    Ypu will be so suprised to see how much lies we already believe in our own lives and it is troubling for some. It migh anger you and send you into the wrong direction.  Choose LOVE.

 

So if you are in the WMS and you have so many questions  and it never satisfies your own spirit the answer which is given then leave. Submit wholeheartedly to Jesus and ask him for answer and what you may find is the answer is with in you.  Your answer may take longer than even I to find but have faith. And what I have failed to say is don't believe me.  Like my brother stoney65100 on youtube  says, Take what I say and ball it all up give it to Father and ask in prayer. 

May Father Bless you.

[Simon]

so you mean magic in the show magic trick.sense not the Wicca sense