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Hello everyone! I hope every one of you are having awesome holidays. While surfing on the internet I found the recording of a radio show in Spanish which contains a testimony of a very concerned mother from Puerto Rico. I decided to translate this testimony for everyone to see the impact in our parents when we at one point decided to be part of this group. In my time at the church I believed that my parents were not concerned about me because they never questioned me about anything and they always have supported me in the positive actions that I have taken in life. As you can see my relationship with my parents is very close and for many hispanics families that live in the States this is not different. Conservative Hispanic families have a very different way of dealing with their children even if they are 18 years old. Here I leave the testimony to the world in English:
Video Title: Entrevista a personas afectadas por la Iglesia de Dios Sociedad Misionera Mundial (Interview to people affected by the World Mission Society Church of God). Can be found in Spanish on Youtube with the Spanish title.
Ana: I met this destructive sect by the end of 2011. My daughter was stopped at college by a girl that had a bible under her arm and she asked her if she knew about Mother God. They are a group that use verses on the bible to emphasize their belief. They use the Genesis to say that there is a Mother God and a Father God. Then, they are taken to take some bible studies, they say that they don't have any denomination and that the only thing they do is to study the bible. At the beginning it was all good because who wouldn't want to study the bible and understand many things? As I said my daughter was stopped at College and with the pass of the days she started changing and changing. I noted on her like an exaggerated need to go to these studies which started to happen every day. I had the opportunity to visit them because my daughter disappeared on a Saturday. We didnt know with who she was, where she was, and she appeared at 11:00pm when we realized she was with one of the leaders of this organization in Puerto Rico. I had a serious conversation with her and I told her that that was very irresponsible that she had taken my daughter and that nobody knew where she was. She answered my that because my daughter was 18 years old that she did not felt any responsability. [In other words] what she was trying to tell me was that my daughter was older enough but in Puerto Rico older enough is 21 years old because parents are responsible of what they do and what happens to them until they are 21 years old. Of course if after they are 21 years old the son or daughter is still living with the parents they have to adapt and accept the rules that they parents have at home. I was invited after this, and after my daughter told me her feelings about mother god. My daughter and I made a stop on that because that was outside of what Christianity is. The study I went they started to talk to me about mother god and father and never told me she was a Korean women and never mention Ahn Sang Hong as Second Coming Christ. I had many questions and they never answered me. They told me to write down my questions and to ask them in the studies if they were related to them and according with that my questions were going to be answered. Of course this was very estrange to me because when you have a question you are expecting your questions to be answered. There was when I noted how people starts to accept all this fallacy little by little because they give studies by studies so people assimilate a truth that does not exist. The changes on my daughter started to be noticeable, she started to loose her hair, her weight was not normal, she lost too much weight because they demand fasting even for 24 hours where they do not eat, don't drink water. My daughter is hyperglycemic so she started to loose weight and as a consequence she lost her hair and I had to take her a couple of times to the hospital. On top of that she got far from her teen friends, her family and I started to study where this cult was from and what they really believe because what they really want to let the world see is that they are a Christian church and that they teach love, comprehension and that they do social work and they love to show their faces in the newspaper, television and propaganda; lots of majors and political figures on activities of their cities or states. Obviously they do social work and they emphasize this. In my case I started to research this because if this is so good they shouldn't be all these negative symptoms. My daughter physically attacked my mother, her grandmother. She physically attacked me. When the time of the subliminal feast came, because they celebrate like the Jews my daughter was deprived of sleep. They will pick her up at midnight and they will drop her off by 2:00am then they will pick her up again later. She was all day out and she will arrive evenings, she was not resting. My only intuition is to say my truth and to prevent families, to be very careful with this destructive cult whom first will say that they believe in the existence of mother god, who believe that Ahn Sang hong the founder is Second Coming Christ, the Holy Spririt, The prophet Eliah, and the Root of David. They say that for you to be spiritually saved you must get baptized in the name of Ahn Sang Hong who is supposed to be the name of the Holy Spirit and have to Celebrate the Passover, which is The Passover of the new covenant how they call it. Meanwhile you are assisting to the studies they will take more and more of your time. Many people stop studying [she means College]. For the time that they were teaching my daughter she thought that the world was going to end in 2012 so she wanted to bring more people and recruit them so they can be saved. My daughter lost her interest in studying [going to College] and eventually she lost her interest in everything I saw her depressed always locked in her room. Obviously, they are taught that the real family are the brothers and sisters of the church. They have mother god, father god and the brothers and sisters are the ones at the church. Because of this they deduce that because they have their spiritual family, the earthly family does not have any value, neither their parents or people around them. They judge the people from other denominations, they say that the Catholic Church is satan, and all the churches that come from the Catholic Church are satanic. When you see these people that come to you all smiling and tell you all of this new things from their translation of the Bible, you will not imagine that you will end up being a very lonely person and obviously you will see that things are not as easy as they said at the beginning. As you more attend as more they will demand from you. They will demand time. They have a table where they measure the members by points and this is about the studies, you have to go out and preach, you have to be baptized, participate in the Passover, give your Tithe. There is people that give the tenth for themselves and for their children, offering, tithe, if they eat at the church, the food is purchased by the members. If they do flower arrangements they are paid by the members. There is the situation where many members cannot make a living, cannot pay for themselves so they bring to the church what they have for living to support the church. Here in Puerto Rico they try to hide and to pass as unseen as possible. They have been in Puerto Rico around 5 or 6 years. We, the affected families got together and handed out flyers and when they realized, this was at the beginning of 2012, they registered in the department of State of Puerto Rico and are Registered as a non profit organization. Before that they were here(communication was interrupted) [without being registered]. If you want to go to any of the meetings are only through an invitation, you cannot just show up how you will do in a Catholic Church, Pentecostal Church, That over there is not allowed. Now I think that as a requisite they are demanding the baptism to be able to join. Obviously, here they are trying to eliminate the information that comes out and what we know. They say that [what they do at the church] cannot be recorded, cannot be pictured; the sermons or anything like that because their work is so secret that what they teach and their procedures can be seen. (Ended around minute 21:00)
There are other testimonies on this recording and the testimony of Ana continues a little bit more about what they are told that will happen to them if they leave and about the internet. The point of view of this mother was very interesting to me because these are people that live somewhere else from where I did when I was at the church and I got to meet some of the young ladies of the Puerto Rico Zion. I am not the best translator but I did my best. Therefore, I might have some grammar mistakes.
*See every part where the word "cult" is found she actually said sect. For us in the Caribbean a sect is a cult but its meaning might defer depending from which Hispanic country you are from.
This post is not made to persecute anyone but to share the experience of this Mother and the people related to this case. I hope that the families of the members that still part of this organization get to reunite with their love ones and this war of "you against me" ends soon. I hope that the bond of this girl with her family never breaks as mine never broke even thought my family lived very far away from me when I joined this group I still missed them and loved them very much to the point of going back home.
This mother is alot like me…or ,I like her…I feel her pain, even in the interpertation by another person. I still am in this battle with my loved one and I will not ever give up! This is my child whom I raised and whom I love! I absoutly despise these "people" who began the theory that they could possibly be God! It pains me to think of my loved one as my young child who I cannot protect anymore. I absoutley know now, how much God really does love you and me and how it pains Him when we fall away from Him., as we are his children. The thoughts of my loved one in their grip pains me daily and it has kind-of put other people in my family on the "back burner". I have just recently relized this. It's almost as you see on intervention groups of drug addicts or alcholoics, the mother put all her time,effort and love into the addict and the husband and other children suffered from that! I thank God for putting that in front of me and making me relize it. I have given this to God and trust His word! I will continue to listen to all of your help and I thank you for all of your help! I will continue to pray for all of the lost people and for the families that have to conted with the wmscog….It's easy to hate them but arent they all lost????
@Sre: I feel your pain, and any other mother who has a son/daughter in this abomination. I know exactly what you are talking about. I am very glad that you recognize that others in your family suffer if you give the wmscog member all your thoughts and attention. We really need to think about that. The other family members need equal priority because they deserve no less. They really feel like they don't matter if we only think and talk about the member. And that isn't true, so we have to make sure we share our focus. It also helps us because we have positive things to focus on, and that really reduces our stress. Hang in there Sre, and contact me if you need to talk to someone who understands. I'd be glad to talk to you anytime.And, yes, most of the members are victims too. We have to remember that when dealing with them.
Harry wrote:
Emil, ol buddy, ol pal, it most certainly is bondage! In fact this whole thing is about bondage! These members are not trading their freedom, its being taken from them using lies and deception.
I completely agree with you.
Yet the victims cannot help themselves and the law is blind. The law will not view the victim as a victim but a consenting adult. Your country pretty much tends to avoid violating civil liberties (unless it is a matter of national security) and a consenting adult APPEARS to enjoy that freedom.
It is upto the family/friends of the victim to activate the law by showing the deception. Only then can you expect the law to act. Otherwise, shrugging shoulders is all they can/will do.
Hopefully if a policeman's son or daughter, or a senator's son/daughter gets into this, something will change. There is just a blind eye turned to the damage right now.
Stained wrote:
Dear All Knowing One, I respect your current vow of silence but PLEASE start to speak again. Cause, well, no offense the pictures are getting, well, kinda creepy. I know I would have to count actuallys for a lifetime to understand your genius but I just don't get this one and if Emil or Mountain Mom figures it out before me I just don't think I could handle that. So come on man give us one of those good old profanity laced assaults on the wms……at the very least it's good for team morale…..I bet they even make Genny chuckle even though she would never admit it. Come on man speak
Harry wrote:
Stained wrote:
Dear All Knowing One, I respect your current vow of silence but PLEASE start to speak again. Cause, well, no offense the pictures are getting, well, kinda creepy. I know I would have to count actuallys for a lifetime to understand your genius but I just don't get this one and if Emil or Mountain Mom figures it out before me I just don't think I could handle that. So come on man give us one of those good old profanity laced assaults on the wms……at the very least it's good for team morale…..I bet they even make Genny chuckle even though she would never admit it. Come on man speak
I think this picture speeks more than one can put into words. I find it rather fitting and I'm sure it's not meant to be creepy.
It's just an adequate portrayal of a sad reality.
Yes, apperently our pal Stained now feels like a bench.
Quite unfortunate, but it comes with the wms severance package.
I can imagine this being used in an actual conversation:
"- Hey, you said you'd help me prepare for that math test!"
"-Oh, man, I completely forgot. I feel like a total bench!"
Stained wrote:
No Rice he doesn't feel like a bench and I get this one
We all love you Stained and that's from the heart……..(manly hug bro)
Hey Stained. Hang in there. You will overcome. That bench shall not stay empty for long.
What is a day ? It's a period of time in this case. Not 24 physical hours.
"Bad Day"
Where is the moment we needed the most
You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost
They tell me your blue skies fade to grey
They tell me your passion's gone away
And I don't need no carryin' on
You stand in the line just to hit a new low
You're faking a smile with the coffee to go
You tell me your life's been way off line
You're falling to pieces every time
And I don't need no carryin' on
Cause you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day
You had a bad day
Well you need a blue sky holiday
The point is they laugh at what you say
And I don't need no carryin' on
You had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day
(Oh, on a holiday)
Sometimes the system goes on the blink
And the whole thing turns out wrong
You might not make it back and you know
That you could be well oh that strong
And I'm not wrong
(Yeah,yeah,yeah,yeah)
So where is the passion when you need it the most
Oh you and I, You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost
Cause you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
You've seen what you like
And how does it feel for one more time
You had a bad day
You had a bad day
Had a bad day
Had a bad day
Had a bad day
Had a bad day
Had a bad day
Know how you feel Stained! This song does say it well, doesn't it?
@Stained – This is going to be the year when the Bad Day ends.Stained! My home dog!
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