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Hello everyone! I hope every one of you are having awesome holidays. While surfing on the internet I found the recording of a radio show in Spanish which contains a testimony of a very concerned mother from Puerto Rico. I decided to translate this testimony for everyone to see the impact in our parents when we at one point decided to be part of this group. In my time at the church I believed that my parents were not concerned about me because they never questioned me about anything and they always have supported me in the positive actions that I have taken in life. As you can see my relationship with my parents is very close and for many hispanics families that live in the States this is not different. Conservative Hispanic families have a very different way of dealing with their children even if they are 18 years old. Here I leave the testimony to the world in English:
Video Title: Entrevista a personas afectadas por la Iglesia de Dios Sociedad Misionera Mundial (Interview to people affected by the World Mission Society Church of God). Can be found in Spanish on Youtube with the Spanish title.
Ana: I met this destructive sect by the end of 2011. My daughter was stopped at college by a girl that had a bible under her arm and she asked her if she knew about Mother God. They are a group that use verses on the bible to emphasize their belief. They use the Genesis to say that there is a Mother God and a Father God. Then, they are taken to take some bible studies, they say that they don't have any denomination and that the only thing they do is to study the bible. At the beginning it was all good because who wouldn't want to study the bible and understand many things? As I said my daughter was stopped at College and with the pass of the days she started changing and changing. I noted on her like an exaggerated need to go to these studies which started to happen every day. I had the opportunity to visit them because my daughter disappeared on a Saturday. We didnt know with who she was, where she was, and she appeared at 11:00pm when we realized she was with one of the leaders of this organization in Puerto Rico. I had a serious conversation with her and I told her that that was very irresponsible that she had taken my daughter and that nobody knew where she was. She answered my that because my daughter was 18 years old that she did not felt any responsability. [In other words] what she was trying to tell me was that my daughter was older enough but in Puerto Rico older enough is 21 years old because parents are responsible of what they do and what happens to them until they are 21 years old. Of course if after they are 21 years old the son or daughter is still living with the parents they have to adapt and accept the rules that they parents have at home. I was invited after this, and after my daughter told me her feelings about mother god. My daughter and I made a stop on that because that was outside of what Christianity is. The study I went they started to talk to me about mother god and father and never told me she was a Korean women and never mention Ahn Sang Hong as Second Coming Christ. I had many questions and they never answered me. They told me to write down my questions and to ask them in the studies if they were related to them and according with that my questions were going to be answered. Of course this was very estrange to me because when you have a question you are expecting your questions to be answered. There was when I noted how people starts to accept all this fallacy little by little because they give studies by studies so people assimilate a truth that does not exist. The changes on my daughter started to be noticeable, she started to loose her hair, her weight was not normal, she lost too much weight because they demand fasting even for 24 hours where they do not eat, don't drink water. My daughter is hyperglycemic so she started to loose weight and as a consequence she lost her hair and I had to take her a couple of times to the hospital. On top of that she got far from her teen friends, her family and I started to study where this cult was from and what they really believe because what they really want to let the world see is that they are a Christian church and that they teach love, comprehension and that they do social work and they love to show their faces in the newspaper, television and propaganda; lots of majors and political figures on activities of their cities or states. Obviously they do social work and they emphasize this. In my case I started to research this because if this is so good they shouldn't be all these negative symptoms. My daughter physically attacked my mother, her grandmother. She physically attacked me. When the time of the subliminal feast came, because they celebrate like the Jews my daughter was deprived of sleep. They will pick her up at midnight and they will drop her off by 2:00am then they will pick her up again later. She was all day out and she will arrive evenings, she was not resting. My only intuition is to say my truth and to prevent families, to be very careful with this destructive cult whom first will say that they believe in the existence of mother god, who believe that Ahn Sang hong the founder is Second Coming Christ, the Holy Spririt, The prophet Eliah, and the Root of David. They say that for you to be spiritually saved you must get baptized in the name of Ahn Sang Hong who is supposed to be the name of the Holy Spirit and have to Celebrate the Passover, which is The Passover of the new covenant how they call it. Meanwhile you are assisting to the studies they will take more and more of your time. Many people stop studying [she means College]. For the time that they were teaching my daughter she thought that the world was going to end in 2012 so she wanted to bring more people and recruit them so they can be saved. My daughter lost her interest in studying [going to College] and eventually she lost her interest in everything I saw her depressed always locked in her room. Obviously, they are taught that the real family are the brothers and sisters of the church. They have mother god, father god and the brothers and sisters are the ones at the church. Because of this they deduce that because they have their spiritual family, the earthly family does not have any value, neither their parents or people around them. They judge the people from other denominations, they say that the Catholic Church is satan, and all the churches that come from the Catholic Church are satanic. When you see these people that come to you all smiling and tell you all of this new things from their translation of the Bible, you will not imagine that you will end up being a very lonely person and obviously you will see that things are not as easy as they said at the beginning. As you more attend as more they will demand from you. They will demand time. They have a table where they measure the members by points and this is about the studies, you have to go out and preach, you have to be baptized, participate in the Passover, give your Tithe. There is people that give the tenth for themselves and for their children, offering, tithe, if they eat at the church, the food is purchased by the members. If they do flower arrangements they are paid by the members. There is the situation where many members cannot make a living, cannot pay for themselves so they bring to the church what they have for living to support the church. Here in Puerto Rico they try to hide and to pass as unseen as possible. They have been in Puerto Rico around 5 or 6 years. We, the affected families got together and handed out flyers and when they realized, this was at the beginning of 2012, they registered in the department of State of Puerto Rico and are Registered as a non profit organization. Before that they were here(communication was interrupted) [without being registered]. If you want to go to any of the meetings are only through an invitation, you cannot just show up how you will do in a Catholic Church, Pentecostal Church, That over there is not allowed. Now I think that as a requisite they are demanding the baptism to be able to join. Obviously, here they are trying to eliminate the information that comes out and what we know. They say that [what they do at the church] cannot be recorded, cannot be pictured; the sermons or anything like that because their work is so secret that what they teach and their procedures can be seen. (Ended around minute 21:00)
There are other testimonies on this recording and the testimony of Ana continues a little bit more about what they are told that will happen to them if they leave and about the internet. The point of view of this mother was very interesting to me because these are people that live somewhere else from where I did when I was at the church and I got to meet some of the young ladies of the Puerto Rico Zion. I am not the best translator but I did my best. Therefore, I might have some grammar mistakes.
*See every part where the word "cult" is found she actually said sect. For us in the Caribbean a sect is a cult but its meaning might defer depending from which Hispanic country you are from.
This post is not made to persecute anyone but to share the experience of this Mother and the people related to this case. I hope that the families of the members that still part of this organization get to reunite with their love ones and this war of "you against me" ends soon. I hope that the bond of this girl with her family never breaks as mine never broke even thought my family lived very far away from me when I joined this group I still missed them and loved them very much to the point of going back home.
@JB
Wow. Thank you for that story. I hope the young lady goes home. So sad. /:v (
jellybean wrote:
Hello everyone! I hope every one of you are having awesome holidays. While surfing on the internet I found the recording of a radio show in Spanish which contains a testimony of a very concerned mother from Puerto Rico. I decided to translate this testimony for everyone to see the impact in our parents when we at one point decided to be part of this group. In my time at the church I believed that my parents were not concerned about me because they never questioned me about anything and they always have supported me in the positive actions that I have taken in life. As you can see my relationship with my parents is very close and for many hispanics families that live in the States this is not different. Conservative Hispanic families have a very different way of dealing with their children even if they are 18 years old. Here I leave the testimony to the world in English:
Video Title: Entrevista a personas afectadas por la Iglesia de Dios Sociedad Misionera Mundial (Interview to people affected by the World Mission Society Church of God). Can be found in Spanish on Youtube with the Spanish title.
Ana: I met this destructive sect by the end of 2011. My daughter was stopped at college by a girl that had a bible under her arm and she asked her if she knew about Mother God. They are a group that use verses on the bible to emphasize their belief. They use the Genesis to say that there is a Mother God and a Father God. Then, they are taken to take some bible studies, they say that they don't have any denomination and that the only thing they do is to study the bible. At the beginning it was all good because who wouldn't want to study the bible and understand many things? As I said my daughter was stopped at College and with the pass of the days she started changing and changing. I noted on her like an exaggerated need to go to these studies which started to happen every day. I had the opportunity to visit them because my daughter disappeared on a Saturday. We didnt know with who she was, where she was, and she appeared at 11:00pm when we realized she was with one of the leaders of this organization in Puerto Rico. I had a serious conversation with her and I told her that that was very irresponsible that she had taken my daughter and that nobody knew where she was. She answered my that because my daughter was 18 years old that she did not felt any responsability. [In other words] what she was trying to tell me was that my daughter was older enough but in Puerto Rico older enough is 21 years old because parents are responsible of what they do and what happens to them until they are 21 years old. Of course if after they are 21 years old the son or daughter is still living with the parents they have to adapt and accept the rules that they parents have at home. I was invited after this, and after my daughter told me her feelings about mother god. My daughter and I made a stop on that because that was outside of what Christianity is. The study I went they started to talk to me about mother god and father and never told me she was a Korean women and never mention Ahn Sang Hong as Second Coming Christ. I had many questions and they never answered me. They told me to write down my questions and to ask them in the studies if they were related to them and according with that my questions were going to be answered. Of course this was very estrange to me because when you have a question you are expecting your questions to be answered. There was when I noted how people starts to accept all this fallacy little by little because they give studies by studies so people assimilate a truth that does not exist. The changes on my daughter started to be noticeable, she started to loose her hair, her weight was not normal, she lost too much weight because they demand fasting even for 24 hours where they do not eat, don't drink water. My daughter is hyperglycemic so she started to loose weight and as a consequence she lost her hair and I had to take her a couple of times to the hospital. On top of that she got far from her teen friends, her family and I started to study where this cult was from and what they really believe because what they really want to let the world see is that they are a Christian church and that they teach love, comprehension and that they do social work and they love to show their faces in the newspaper, television and propaganda; lots of majors and political figures on activities of their cities or states. Obviously they do social work and they emphasize this. In my case I started to research this because if this is so good they shouldn't be all these negative symptoms. My daughter physically attacked my mother, her grandmother. She physically attacked me. When the time of the subliminal feast came, because they celebrate like the Jews my daughter was deprived of sleep. They will pick her up at midnight and they will drop her off by 2:00am then they will pick her up again later. She was all day out and she will arrive evenings, she was not resting. My only intuition is to say my truth and to prevent families, to be very careful with this destructive cult whom first will say that they believe in the existence of mother god, who believe that Ahn Sang hong the founder is Second Coming Christ, the Holy Spririt, The prophet Eliah, and the Root of David. They say that for you to be spiritually saved you must get baptized in the name of Ahn Sang Hong who is supposed to be the name of the Holy Spirit and have to Celebrate the Passover, which is The Passover of the new covenant how they call it. Meanwhile you are assisting to the studies they will take more and more of your time. Many people stop studying [she means College]. For the time that they were teaching my daughter she thought that the world was going to end in 2012 so she wanted to bring more people and recruit them so they can be saved. My daughter lost her interest in studying [going to College] and eventually she lost her interest in everything I saw her depressed always locked in her room. Obviously, they are taught that the real family are the brothers and sisters of the church. They have mother god, father god and the brothers and sisters are the ones at the church. Because of this they deduce that because they have their spiritual family, the earthly family does not have any value, neither their parents or people around them. They judge the people from other denominations, they say that the Catholic Church is satan, and all the churches that come from the Catholic Church are satanic. When you see these people that come to you all smiling and tell you all of this new things from their translation of the Bible, you will not imagine that you will end up being a very lonely person and obviously you will see that things are not as easy as they said at the beginning. As you more attend as more they will demand from you. They will demand time. They have a table where they measure the members by points and this is about the studies, you have to go out and preach, you have to be baptized, participate in the Passover, give your Tithe. There is people that give the tenth for themselves and for their children, offering, tithe, if they eat at the church, the food is purchased by the members. If they do flower arrangements they are paid by the members. There is the situation where many members cannot make a living, cannot pay for themselves so they bring to the church what they have for living to support the church. Here in Puerto Rico they try to hide and to pass as unseen as possible. They have been in Puerto Rico around 5 or 6 years. We, the affected families got together and handed out flyers and when they realized, this was at the beginning of 2012, they registered in the department of State of Puerto Rico and are Registered as a non profit organization. Before that they were here(communication was interrupted) [without being registered]. If you want to go to any of the meetings are only through an invitation, you cannot just show up how you will do in a Catholic Church, Pentecostal Church, That over there is not allowed. Now I think that as a requisite they are demanding the baptism to be able to join. Obviously, here they are trying to eliminate the information that comes out and what we know. They say that [what they do at the church] cannot be recorded, cannot be pictured; the sermons or anything like that because their work is so secret that what they teach and their procedures can be seen. (Ended around minute 21:00)
There are other testimonies on this recording and the testimony of Ana continues a little bit more about what they are told that will happen to them if they leave and about the internet. The point of view of this mother was very interesting to me because these are people that live somewhere else from where I did when I was at the church and I got to meet some of the young ladies of the Puerto Rico Zion. I am not the best translator but I did my best. Therefore, I might have some grammar mistakes.
*See every part where the word "cult" is found she actually said sect. For us in the Caribbean a sect is a cult but its meaning might defer depending from which Hispanic country you are from.
This post is not made to persecute anyone but to share the experience of this Mother and the people related to this case. I hope that the families of the members that still part of this organization get to reunite with their love ones and this war of "you against me" ends soon. I hope that the bond of this girl with her family never breaks as mine never broke even thought my family lived very far away from me when I joined this group I still missed them and loved them very much to the point of going back home.
Amazing and i can relate to this so much.
Quick question.. what made you, lets just call it – "wake up"?
I am having an issue where i am telling this family member of mine who is a member of this church
where i bring up points and she/he just lies to me!
Straight to my face!
I will ask them things like "Well, why do they insist on the tithe so much?"
or
"Why if you are having financial issues, they not help?"
And i either get lied to or the subject changes very quickly.
I need a fix soon 🙁
I am almost letting it go … because as selfish as this may sound.. i gotta start getting myself together.
Move on Jambo… Plenty of people have offered to help you and you don't respond.
Soooo, put up or shut up Bro! Your either gutless or clueless or both!
There are plenty of people on here that would give their own lives to get there loved ones out and apparently you don't care that much or your just full of s /h /i / t so why don't you go throw another shrimp on the barbie or go grow a set and do something about it. Otherwise have a nice life……your starting to really annoy me.
That said, you can contact me or anyone else and we will be happy to help you in anyway we can
jambo3 wrote:
You are right.
But Harry, when have i never answered?
Yes Jambo, I am right, in fact I am right almost 50% of the time. The other 50% i'm wrong. Your problem is you are treading water and that doesn't work. Of course there are times when you have to step back or you will lose your own mind. When i was fighting for my loved one I was on 24/7, it was the only thing I thought about day and night. I was scared, I was humbled, I was p/i/s//s/e//d, I was every emotion there is and yeah I almost lost it. I reserached constantly, i talked to everybody, I think i was on the phone with steve hassan everyday and a lot of people on this site. I won't mention any names but lets just say we put together the "A" team man.
One thing I know for sure is members are like snow flakes, no 2 are exactly the same. You never know what will prompt that moment that opens their eyes. My team fought hard and believe me they were armed with a lot of info and they were passionate but in the bottom of the 9th we brought in a relief pitcher, a sweet young lady who smiled at my loved one and said, can i just ask you one question and wham she started opening her eyes.
The only constant that i see is, the cults love is fake and the family's love is real thus family love wins every time. (every single time)
So Jambo don't be afraid to get as much info and advice as you can find just remember not all of it will work but something will!
But pleeeeez, stop whinning about how your gonna quit! It annoys me and it's not a good thing for the others on here who are still fighting to hear. We take breaks, we never quit! Now give me a call I'll buy you lunch. Maybe we'll get lucky and bump into Dano. Oh and btw, in response to the PM you sent me, his name is Dano not David and I am certainly NOT him. hahaha I think everyone here will attest to that.
C'mon Jambo stand up and fight like a man! Do you really want to be known as the guy who gave up fighting for his loved one? I think not!
Thanks Harry, you are right again! And Jellybean, this testimony from the mother of a member is so like all the others. So completely from the heart and gut wrenching. It is always the same, and this is why we have to keep fighting. We can stop this group. They need their stealth attack, and we can expose them. Thanks to all who are fighting to help in this regard.
Hey Harry, what was that "one question" for your loved one that finally got the ball rolling?
genny wrote:
Hey Harry, what was that "one question" for your loved one that finally got the ball rolling?
I'll PM you Genny
I’m curious too Harry, can you PM me?
Total cost of sending in a bunch of Douche Monkeys wearing Fluorescent Green Sweater Vests to clean up old tires by a Rivers edge, ZERO.
Watching them boast about it, priceless.
I have heard that some of the wmscog are now training taking special trainings with government entities so that they can go in wherever there are disasters and help people. They will have all the access that police, firemen, etc., have and others don't. I think it is commendable to help. I just wonder if their camera crews will also have this special access so they can film it and make propaganda that they can use to recruit. I'm thinking yes. I think their films are of professional grade quality and I am impressed with how orchestrated they are. It just seems to me that they are much more interested in making the film and promoting how great they are than actually helping people. According to the Bible aren't you supposed to avoid tooting your own horn, so to speak? Isn't there something about when you are doing good deeds, don't let the right hand know what the left is doing? Genny, I guess you would have to help me with that.
I understand that in Naperville, Illinois they are going to the police stations, fire stations, and other places as a "community outreach" project. I think there is a lot of damage control and public relations going on there as well as in other communities. It is a coordinated operation all over the U.S. It really is scary that they are making inroads in the govt. and in our police force and fire fighting agencies and presenting themselves as a benign Chrisitian group when they are anything but.
Stained wrote:
Total cost of sending in a bunch of Douche Monkeys wearing Fluorescent Green Sweater Vests to clean up old tires by a Rivers edge, ZERO.
Watching them boast about it, priceless.
Douche Monkey's indeed but let's be fair we already know that most if not all of the members/captives/hostages are good people. we also know that they will do whatever they are told to do by Dano and his henchmen. After hurricane Sandy hit thousands and thousands of groups rushed to the aid of those who were devastated BUT only a small number of those groups made a propaganda videos chronicling their participation and only ONE had their video profesionally filmed, edited and scored for the purpose of showing it over and over and over for the purpose of patting themselves on the back and recruiting prospective members. (they always show it when they throw a recruitment party) Every person they helped was asked to make a statement on camera and they were all asked to acknowledge mother god. I know a few of the people who were on the video, when I told them who mother god was they said, are you kidding, I thought they were talking about Mary, the Mother of God……priceless indeed All Knowing One
Some people in the church have said that they were moved to tears by the Sandy video. But anyone who knew what the church is really about said they felt like vomiting after watching it becaue they know the ruse that is being perpetrated by the leaders of this "church.". I agree that most in the church are good people, and are simply manipulated. But using them for propaganda is really low. I wonder what happens to those videos after a person who was used in them leaves the church? Do the people used for the film have recourse? I bet they do if it was pursued.
They use their members' donations of blood, bone marrow, finances, talents, and time for their purposes and do it in the name of "Mother." Now they are using them for propaganda as well. A lot of evil is done in the name of religion.
MountainMom wrote:
Some people in the church have said that they were moved to tears by the Sandy video. But anyone who knew what the church is really about said they felt like vomiting after watching it becaue they know the ruse that is being perpetrated by the leaders of this "church.". I agree that most in the church are good people, and are simply manipulated. But using them for propaganda is really low. I wonder what happens to those videos after a person who was used in them leaves the church? Do the people used for the film have recourse? I bet they do if it was pursued.
They use their members' donations of blood, bone marrow, finances, talents, and time for their purposes and do it in the name of "Mother." Now they are using them for propaganda as well. A lot of evil is done in the name of religion.
Ahhhh, thank you for bringing up the tears Mom. When I went to (the ridgewood place) for some recruitment concert. Yes, i have been inside the hallowed halls but it was before I knew who they were and my daughter asked me to go so I went and btw, there was a camera pointed at me the entire time i was there it was never off me and it got so annoying i eventually flipped the kid off who was pointing it at me. I know claasy move by me. anyhow back to the tears. Before the concert got started I was talking to a bunch of smiley young ladies and they all kept saying, wait till you see the sandy video, it will bring you to tears there won't be a dry eye in the house. So they start the video and about half way through Dano stands up, puts his hand over his mouth and everybody in the place starts to cry! I swear to mother all at that exact moment! The only people who weren't crying were me and the other recruits. Looking back it is so obvious to me that they were programed to do that.
@Harry, some of your comment was hilarious, no ALL of it was hilarious. Only you, I swear! And I certainly do see evidence of orchestration of members emotions on cue. And the orchestrated waving and chanting on their videos. Interesting stuff.Calling people douche monkeys may make one feel better, but those people are victims and ought not bear the brunt of the distaste of the organization imho.
These volunteer activities are actually quite genius: they keep people plenty busy and cognitively busy at that, which takes away from any time to stop and think; furthermore, they are unattackable and axiomatic "proof" for members, further engendering the belief system.
Questioninginla wrote:
Calling people douche monkeys may make one feel better, but those people are victims and ought not bear the brunt of the distaste of the organization imho.
These volunteer activities are actually quite genius: they keep people plenty busy and cognitively busy at that, which takes away from any time to stop and think; furthermore, they are unattackable and axiomatic "proof" for members, further engendering the belief system.
@ Q, for the record, I did not call them douche Monkeys. Stained did……candidly, i do not even know what a douche monkey is.
@ Stained, sorry for throwing you under the bus but I like Q and don't want Q to think I'm a….well, a douche monkey
as to Q's 2nd paragraph, I agree with you 100% but an interesting sidebar to that is Dano's initial reaction to helping the sandy victims at the jersey shore was one of complete disdain he even berated a member who was feeling depressed because he grow up down the shore. (he did that in front of a group of members)I got that from the member himself and another eye witness. I only bring that up because I wonder who's making the strategic decisions over there. Must be the braintrust in Korea or perhaps Dano was just being a douche monkey to the kid
Q, explain to me how the leaders can treat some members like dirt in front of others and still keep control of the group? Why would that behavior not be an eye opener for them? He does it all the time.
Matthew 6:2-4
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the HYPOCRITES do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.
Harry wrote:
Q, explain to me how the leaders can treat some members like dirt in front of others and still keep control of the group? Why would that behavior not be an eye opener for them? He does it all the time.
I believe this reinforces group membership once a person is already a group member. When you are witness to a member being treated like dirt, you will always act with the primary purpose of avoiding being treated that way. The member who is treated like dirt tries twice as hard never to be treated that way again.
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