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Here is a news flash. I heard that the WMS was trying to sue the picketers with an temp. restraining order and to show cause for a preliminary injucntion.
This means that only those few exmembers must of really hit a button with the WMS. From what I heard the WMS lost, and the ex members were back in front of the Reseda Church early Saturday morning. This is a good sign for the rest of us to do something where we live to also protest. Write you feelings on the picket and inform those lost souls in the church of the TRUTH!!!!
churches aren’t businesses
And you couldn’t sue the government it isn’t their responsibility to tell us those things anyways
It's their job to keep up safe and to inform us of dangers and stuff. You can sue someone in the gov't like the city or the fire dept, etc. And running a church is running a business.
a church is a religious organization an inherently not a business.
FreeExercise of religion doesn’t exist when churches must have permission to operate
it really doesn't matter if people abuse the system and we can prove they are faking and blah blah then we can get them on much bigger things than violating permits
Simon wrote:
it really doesn't matter if people abuse the system and we can prove they are faking and blah blah then we can get them on much bigger things than violating permits
Wasn't Al Capone brought down because of tax evasion?
We should approach from a variety of angles.
Not sure what the law is in your country but I belive someone here said that govt. is only involved if tithes are collected. As long as it is only for worship, nobody will stop you. When money passes hands there ought to be some regulation. After all, what is money? Look at your currency. It is a promise by your govt.
Simon wrote:
it really doesn't matter if people abuse the system and we can prove they are faking and blah blah then we can get them on much bigger things than violating permits
I OBJECT! You may not use my blah blahs. That is against our unwritten, unspoken, and unthought of agreement.
genny wrote:
Simon wrote:
it really doesn't matter if people abuse the system and we can prove they are faking and blah blah then we can get them on much bigger things than violating permits
Wasn't Al Capone brought down because of tax evasion?
We should approach from a variety of angles.
the IRS can investigate if they are a legitimate church basically would be defined if the Church believes itself to be true and if not can penalize them retroactively for tax evasion..
The reason I don't want to encourage unconstitutional things against them is it sets a precident for unconstitutional actions against legitimate churches.
What's a legitimate church? What's an illegitimate church? All you need is a person or group of persons who believe in a God who come together. That's a church, right?
If WMSCOG leadership doesn't believe what they teach they are not a legitimate church
There are also a lot of regulations concerning what the govt. says is a tax exempt status. It's pretty interesting. Some "churches" don't fit the bill and haven't been honest on their application for tax exemption. If there weren't rules we could all say our property is a church and never pay property tax.
You don't have to believe. You just have to worship.
actually the IRS can determin you are not a legitimate church based on belief of leadership and get them on all kinds of fraud charges its awesome…
just a matter of proving it
The IRS is so good at tracking down the average person for even a small amount of money, why haven't they flagged churches who are obvious frauds getting away with umpteen millions and taking advantage of people? I wonder what has to happen. Well, I do have one idea.
Simon wrote:
actually the IRS can determin you are not a legitimate church based on belief of leadership and get them on all kinds of fraud charges its awesome…
just a matter of proving it
But I thought we were talking about the basic facts. Not according to the law but according to the facts. Fact is, Jesus is God. Some say he's not but the that doesn't change the fact. Fact is, the members of the WMSCOG are a church. They don't have to believe to be a church they just need a God to worship whether it's real or not.
MM, you're right. If it weren't for the law getting involved there are countless issues that can/will arrive.
legitimate belief is required for tax shelters and first amendment protection of the organization
I could decide to worship MountainMom and that will be protected and a legitimate religion but MountainMom wouldn't because I legitimately believe be able to not pay taxes by founding a church (unless she believed she were God which she doesn't)
All we have to do is kidnap & fake MM's death that way she can't say she's not God.
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