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Here is a news flash. I heard that the WMS was trying to sue the picketers with an temp. restraining order and to show cause for a preliminary injucntion.
This means that only those few exmembers must of really hit a button with the WMS. From what I heard the WMS lost, and the ex members were back in front of the Reseda Church early Saturday morning. This is a good sign for the rest of us to do something where we live to also protest. Write you feelings on the picket and inform those lost souls in the church of the TRUTH!!!!
I'm not sure those laws are constitutional and I am weary of enforcing unconstitutional laws even against Satan
Simon wrote:
I'm not sure those laws are constitutional and I am weary of enforcing unconstitutional laws even against Satan
That's an intense statement. Hmmm. In other words, we have to be certain so we can have God's back up and protection as God will not break the law of the land and neither will he advice us to do so. This I believe is so now because we are in a sinful world but when the new earth is created, or however God will do things in the future, there will be no land/government but God.
I remember when I went to a preaching meeting once. I really really which that I could remember the name of this community college. I always hated going there because it was so far. It's somewhere in Southern Calfornia- about an hour away from Reseda.
Anyway, I was preaching with a sister at this campus. We saw a Korean girl and we tried to preach to her. She didn't speak English very well. We then ran to Deacon and asked him to come help us preach to her. We figured he could explain everything to her in Korean, and we were very excited. I thought for sure that it would be a fruit. Deacon was very relunctant and ended up only saying a few words to this girl. I had the feeling that he didn't really even mention the studies at all.
When we got back to that blue van, Deaconness asked us all about our preaching experiences. I spoke to her privately, and told her that I didn't understand why her husband didn't want to help us in preaching to this Korean girl. She explained that modern Koreans are just like the Jews in Jesus' time. In the same way that hey rejected Jesus, the Korean's reject ASH. Thefore, we must be very careful when preaching to Koreans.
At the time, I totally bought into what she was saying. In retrospect, it definitely raises suspicion. I suspect that particular Deacon and Deaconness did a lot of the "dirty" work for Pastor. They seem to always coach members into staying or trying to make sense of things that really just don't make sense.
Wow!!! What a clever response you were given by the Deaconess. Now when you look back I'm sure you know in your heart why that was the case other than what they claim. This is a free contry – do what you like slogan, but see, when it comes to God, there ought to be boundaries for He is no match for us. I don't see why there is no respectful fear for God anymore.
What do you mean unconstitutional laws? To obey they law of having a permit to hold services won't send you to hell. I agree that if someone wants to hold service in their home then sobeit. I don't think you should need to have a permit to do so. But if you have to have a permit, it's not like obtaining one is breaking God's laws. God's laws come 1st as I was told as a member.
You know what I believe to be unconstitutional? Trying to send me to DRB [Disciplinary Review Board] because I took 6-10 minutes out of the day split in 2 sessions to pray. My COC [Chain Of Command] tried to get me in big trouble for praying. That's unconstitutional and if I were to obey their rule of not praying it would lead me to break God's "laws" [the laws I knew and believed in as a member]. That's wrong.
When obeying the worldly laws leads you to disobey God's laws then you must choose to obey God's laws. If obeying the worldly laws don't lead you to disobey God's laws then obey both. Getting a permit rides on the latter. I had a "permit" to pray. It's a Navy instruction that I carried around in my pocket at all times whenever someone wanted to tell me I couldn't pray.
When my Chief counseled me on the subject, he asked me what I proposed as a solution. I'm such a smart-ass… =)
I told him that I didn't see the issue in taking 10 min out of the day to pray when we have smokers who take a 10-20 min smoke break every hour if not more often than that. In an 8 hour spand, an average smoker would have taken out 1 hr and 20 min of the Navy's time to smoke. How is my 10 min worse than that? As far as the solution, I propose that I lie to you and tell you that I've taken up smoking when in reality I'm going to pray. This way I won't be bothered and I can pray more earnestly to F&M.
He didn't like that of course.. He told me to sign a paper saying I wouldn't pray during working hours but I refused to sign it. =)
Anywho… BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.
It’s unconstitutional because the government isn’t allowed to regulate religious activity not because it is sinful.
The gov't isn't regulating religious activity in this case. The gov't is regulating business. You are not allowed to conduct business without a permit in any building or public place for some. It's the gov'ts way of CYA. If a group of people hold church service in their home and whind up having too many people in the home at one time and an emergency happens where the people in the home cannot escape and blah blah blah, the gov't can say, "I told you you had to have at least 2 fire estinguishers, I told you it was unsafe for you to have this many people in at one time. I told you you had to have this exit labeled as not an exit. blah blah blah." If, somehow, a church wanted to sue the gov't or whoever for not "properly explaining these things" or for whatever the gov't can say, "Now hold up!! You weren't supposed to have conducted this kind of business in the 1st place. Had you told us you wanted to do this we would have given you a check list blah blah blah." This is why, in the Navy, we had to sign so many papers as "proof" we were told not/to do something so when something goes wrong, the Navy says "HA! I told you so.."
Truth: In some cases….. ok in a vast majority of cases…. I just like to argue. Especially against Shimon. =)
Truth: In some cases….. ok in a vast majority of cases…. I just like to argue. Especially against Shimon. =)
Truth: I said that very same thing in another thread about righteous lies.
Truth: I said that very same thing in another thread about righteous lies.
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