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We have been debating a lot here and now I am curious to know how black men and women feel about Ron’s comment. He didn’t make that up and if old members of his time want to be honest about it they’ll stand up. I didn’t know “God” would discriminate. Why would God not want black children preached to?
New Jersey but they stream it over web and phone and phone app
I thought it was NY..
they call it New York like people call Anaheim los Angeles or the like
OYG.. I hate when people do that. "I lived in San Diego." "Oh really? Where at?" "Bakersfield." Um…. NOOOOO!
Oyg?Yeah it’s annoying but common lol
Oyg.. Oh your God. It's a play on OMG, oh my God.
There is something to be said about drumming. When the new worlds were discovered there were similarities across the new civilizations that transcended boundaries (in other words, ruling out that they had learned from each other the rituals). Drumming, chanting, dancing – being a part of a larger group and losing oneself in the moment is what these rituals were all about, and these were tools that helped the societies compete; the societies that obtained cohesiveness tended to (based upon research) outcompete and outlast societies that "couldn't get it together".
Similarly, football teams and military have documented how their members have reached euphoria when under the greatest stresses their activity could demand of them (the individual did not risk death or injury as an individual, but rather so the larger goals of the group would succeed). Chorus too – although not a violent act – can be an activity designed to create an environment in which one loses oneself into the greater whole.
On its own, an activity is not necessarily bad. When used in a manipulating way it is, obviously. Was music stressed in this environment? required? Why was it brought up in the thread?
I don't think African is the sole place or only place known for drumming.
Didn't the Timpani origniate in Italy around 1000 A.D.? That is what I had heard. Native American tribes had been using drums, and I believe the Yanomamo of South America had been as well.
Also, I think in South Korea, they seem to use many more musical instruments than are used in the U.S. zions. Whenever we watched the musicals, they definitely seemed to use a full orchesta- and a variety of instruments. The great battle scenes contained drums, if I remember correctly.
By the way, some of the members seemed to have really strong reactions when they watched those musicals- especially Mother's sacrafice parts 1, 2 and 3. I personally never found them to be descriptive enough. They seemed to lack so much informtion.
I thought they were entertaining as well. I have to give the wsmcog credit for casting some very talented people in those roles. The singing, acting and movement is all very good. The orchestra is great.
It just that some of the members would be crying so much while watching it. They would say that they learned so much, and they understand better about what happened in Heaven, and what they did.
And I would just be sitting there like, "hmm, I didn't feel all that. I didn't get the same perceptions. Is something wrong with me? Why are the other sisters more moved than I am?"
I didn't think it was descriptive enough or really telling enough. I wanted to know exactly what happened in Heaven, yet the movie was so vague. All three parts were vague, imo.
That's a good point Sarah. And lol, it was quite silly in retrospect. I am now embarrassed for any tears I spent over Ahn and Zhang.
While I liked being in the wmscog at the time, because I enjoyed feeling like I was "the choosen one," and a true member of part of a group, I still never felt like I completely had the experience that some of the other brother/ssisters did. Again, I was thinking, 'Okay, what's wrong with me, why am I not feeling this like they are?"
I would actually go home and pray and cry earnestly for God to allow me to feel more and to love Father and Mother more. I actually wanted to be able to cry over the video's and fully understand the message, but I just couldn't. I couldn't force it or fake it. That's the thing. I think a lot of brothers and sisters are actually faking it and putting on this big facade. I think some of the higher ups, do it purposefully. Than those on the lower end who want to belong, emulate the same kind of behavior and make up experiences to fit in.
One thing about me is that I can never force or fake my emotions. I can't give a fake smile. Either I'm sad, or I'm happy, or I'm mad, etc, etc. Whatever I am, I show it. I am not going to give a fake smile when I'm not happy. A lot of members didn't like that about me. They wanted me to pretend to be happy as they were.
I hear things all the time like, "I feel so close to Father and Mother," I really feel their love and help," etc, etc. I kept feeling nothing. Now I think that many of them probably also feel nothing. They just trick themselves into thinking that they feel something to "fit in."
In retrospect, I realized that God was answering my prayer by not actually answering it, if that makes any sense. If I don't feel something, then it means it's not for me.
Liberty wrote:
Again, I was thinking, 'Okay, what's wrong with me, why am I not feeling this like they are?"
Like I have been saying a lot lately, this is normal behavior.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDDyT1lDhA&list=UUlQzKGw31DagWzBYebtltNg&index=6
My relative in the church admitted to his Dad a while ago that not everyone in the church was happy. We thought that was a big concession for him, as he always tried, in the beginning, to act like he was happy and tried to lead us to believe he was happy too. But what comes through so clearly is that he isn't happy there. He doesn't preach as much as he did in earlier years, either. I think it is because he, like you, Liberty, can't put on the fake happy face when he didn't feel it. Now they just take his money. I think his preaching is kept to a minimum because he can't fake it. He probably isn't a good billboard for their purpose.
FYI, I intended for my statement to ignorant.
Questioninginla wrote:
Liberty wrote:
Again, I was thinking, 'Okay, what's wrong with me, why am I not feeling this like they are?"
Like I have been saying a lot lately, this is normal behavior.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDDyT1lDhA&list=UUlQzKGw31DagWzBYebtltNg&index=6
It always makes me feel great when you say that. I felt so dumb when I realized the true nature of the wmscog. It's nice to feel normal again 🙂
Sarah2013 wrote:
Perfect sense, Liberty I still don't believe they are happy inside. There is no real spiritual power to their worship, so to me, there will always be a void in their lives. The only ones that probably had real happiness, were the ones who were physically gaining from it, if you know what I mean.
Yes, I would also hear often, some say how close they felt to F&M. In my mind also I never felt connected but they kept telling i would get there. So I'd say ok – but I never did. I became even more confused than I was going in.
God probably was answering your prayers. I know he did mine. I remember after l left, I was so confused on how to end my prayers or even begin them. Do I say, F&M? In Jesus Name? God ? Or what? I decided not to pray for a while and so on and so forth. Then one day, I asked God in Jesus name to help me understand I didn't make a mistake leaving; and also that I was sorry for my idol worshipping involvement with that church. Believe it or not, it is idol worship.
Wow! I had the exact same experience Sarah! I was scared to pray for so long. I was so confused about which named to pray in, that I just didn't. I still don't pray as much as I would like to. But now I say "Heavenly Father." Hopefully God will be understanding of that. I used to say prayers to F&M throughout the day, even when I was going about my physical routines. I really miss that, and I want to find some way of incorporating that into my life again. This time, I just hope that I'd be praying to the real God.
No. I never went on a trip to Korea, so I never met Zhang. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't. It would've been a waste of money. I think I was too low of a member for Zhang to ever be interested in me.
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