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With all the accusations against former members allegedly “slandering” the WMSCOG, I decided to get the definition of slander and start a thread about it.
slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one’s occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (See: defamation, fair comment)
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So according to the definition of slander the person(s) accused must tell something untrue about the other party. The WMSCOG cannot prove a person is lying by merely saying they are “lying”.
During my years we never went to those poor or underprivileged areas either.
Genny,
Did you keep reading? Or do you just want to keep calling our interpretation interesting?
"67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve."
I apologize for my gross and negligent math, 5000 was way off target. Perhaps 5000-12 = 4988 is the answer that will split the hair fine enough for you.
I can see how you would be contentious about everything, you miss every biblical teaching trying to analyze tangential factoids that miss our instructions by a country mile.
Disturbed,
In all the world there is only a pinch of people out of the WMSCOG who think like that. It is not indicative of our true instructions and motives, which serves to highlight the position you argue from constantly, which is a minority in ignorance.
What about that member asked to leave? Do you know if that member skipped service? Do you know if that member was saying negative things and becoming contentious with people? Were they humoring babylon churches, or setting bad examples, or preaching false things to other members? Did they not tithe or offer anything to God, not even a quarter or a penny? There are a myriad of reasons for why and how something happened outside of it being our fault, your just focusing on whats easy to criticize.
As for how many poor areas I preached in, it would only be a slight exagerration for me to to say "all of them" in southern california and other places I have been from and other places I've gone to now. But we got around so much that "all of them" would still have to be my answer. Name a place and I've probably been there preaching, especially in my poor neighborhoods and my friends poor neighborhoods. Bario Logan, Rancho Bernardo, Chula Vista, National City, Bonita, Clearwater, San Diego, uptown, downtown, Mission Valley, Fashion Valley, Orange County, Irvine, Los Angeles, Santee, La Mesa, Sunset Cliffs, El Cajon, Imperial Beach, east side rich, west side poor. North side, south side. Rich or poor, nice or bad, we went everywhere and spread the message to everyone. And anywhere I didn't go, other brothers or sisters shared fragrances of where they did, so the answer from the church as a whole is definitively "everywhere" and "almost everyone". We could name off specific buildings and zones or malls or parks or communities or apartments if you wanted from the poorer neighborhoods but I think I've proven this point, I went there, and many of us went there.
We went door-to-door in such places, we didn't have a "rich member" focus, nor did we have a "poor member" focus. We just went everywhere.
Known for their wealth?
Do you even live in southern california?
You seem to be confusing small pockets of rich communities with the entire rest of the city.
3/4 of all those cities are slums, all the neighborhoods are slums low income housing and cheap apartments. You do know that the 5 and the 805 basically divide the wealth zones? humongous sections of the cities, most of the places I and we preached in, were poor. Like families of 6 in 1 bedrooms or studio apartments poor. Foodstamps poor.
Have you been to Irvine's rural area? Have you ever even seen a picture of downtown L.A.? Have you even seen the apartments up 4th street downtown San Diego?
I've been in the ghettoes man, and in some places that word is the literally correct choice.
I don't think you actually comprehend what your saying.
Are you really that dense?
I don't need you to believe me, we who did know we did.
I just like watching you run your mouth so that everyone who knows better can understand how little you know about us but how eagerly you promote exagerrated lies.
We could switch the topic to Hillcrest, and if you don't know what that means, then you should probably put your foot in your mouth where it belongs.
144000 wrote:
Genny,
Did you keep reading? Or do you just want to keep calling our interpretation interesting?
"67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve."
I apologize for my gross and negligent math, 5000 was way off target. Perhaps 5000-12 = 4988 is the answer that will split the hair fine enough for you.
I can see how you would be contentious about everything, you miss every biblical teaching trying to analyze tangential factoids that miss our instructions by a country mile.
Why do you stretch the truth? There is not one bit of evidence that 5000 people turned away. To begin with, it doesn't say how many were present. Just because there were 5000 at the miracle of the loaves and fish, it doesn't automatically imply that all 5000 went across to the other side of the lake. Secondly, scripture records that many left him. It doesn't say all except the apostles. It is not just your math that is wrong.
I can see why it is important to analyze teachings which take verses out of context or join verses from different books to fraudulently prove a point.
Disturbed
I'm not talking about the nice areas, or are you going to deny that any poor areas even exist? Yet they are abundant and your diversions only continue to prove how little you understand about even your own basic surroundings. But I don't actually think your that dumb, you know very well all the poor places, and its clear your just trying to shift the argument to try and hide the truth of our good examples.
Your experience, if I even were to believe you about anything, would have to be among new or select youth groups who could not be trusted with seedy or controversial parts of town. And that is the only benefit of the doubt I'm giving you, which still neglects your acknowledgement that many other groups, most if not all, did go to other such areas.
Emil
"To begin with, it doesn't say how many were present"
Matthew 14:21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.
That one I'll give you for free. The rest you can learn in Zion.
I got better things to do now, so Ciao.
I can remove context and make the bible say stuff to
Psalm 14:1b There is no God
144000 wrote:
Emil
"To begin with, it doesn't say how many were present"
Matthew 14:21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.
That one I'll give you for free. The rest you can learn in Zion.
I got better things to do now, so Ciao.
At least have the decency to read and understand what I have written before shooting off. I already acknowledged there were 5000 at the miracle of the loaves and fish. But that was a different venue across the lake. Dream on.
Crafty
Simon wrote:
I can remove context and make the bible say stuff to
Psalm 14:1b There is no God
OK, good enough for me, that's a wrap people, let's pack up our stuff and hit the road. Don't forget to sign your NDA's on the way out.
144000 wrote:
Disturbed and Kung Lao are both lying here and 1.7 million members know it.
We do in fact preach to all peoples, even homeless and poor.
I myself know many brothers and sisters afflicted with poverty, and I myself had the privilidge of being granted the opportunity to preach to them, after which Father and Mother baptised four such individuals. Other brothers and sisters can confirm many similar stories.
We instruct members not to appeal to the homeless by offering them food first, because we don't want them to get the wrong idea and only come for the food, like the 5000 who left Jesus because they were only interested in food.
But we instruct them to come and learn, and we do share our food with them, and we watch carefully for whether they are more interested in the bible study or the food, and sometimes it takes longer to know if they understand and believe, because we are not mind-readers.
Jesus said "sell all your goods, give the Money to the poor and follow me". He never said sell all your goods and give the Money to me. Next, where did Jesus say, hey ummm, give them a meal but make sure they're interested in my version of the Torah'. It's not your god damn food, it belongs to the people who cooked it, as we all know, they paid for it. Who the hell are you to watch anybody carefully ?
That’s not accurate. I never saw them feed any homeless nearby, perhaps they did via the we love we foundation.
@144000 – don't forget Genny's pending question about the 4 people who you claim were baptized by F&M
144000 wrote:
Disturbed and Kung Lao are both lying here and 1.7 million members know it.
We do in fact preach to all peoples, even homeless and poor.
Há. You a puppet controlld by Papa ashsangsong and Mama zhong is calling me a liar? How cute.
Im still in the wmscug so you calling yu brother a liar so when yo are too, right?
yo statement is wrong, i ve been for 4 yers and never saw any preach to homeless and porr pepole.
one time there was this old man with relative nice colthes searching about his daughtr, bros and sis got him baptized and he larnead the basic of basic in one day, but he needed money to have a roof to sleep just for another day, and keep seraching for his daughtr, the pastor denied and he got banned for being not right invovled, i saw him again looking for his daughtr with some coins left, then he proced to sleep in the streets.
Yo said yo preach to all people, how about preach to pepole dying in the hospital, or teenagers, only +18 right.
"even homeless and poor." jajajajaja look at this, see. all people include homeless and poor, no need to write this but you felt you've should it, why? this is clear you wmscug brotha don't preach to everyone, and thus you are a a liar.
Papa ashsangasong and Mama zhong you send yo straight to hell with yo liar.
go repent brotha yo need it.
God bless yo -fake smile- 😀
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