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The wmscog loves to throw the term "slander" around, but I don't think they really know the meaning of the word. It isn't slander if it is true. In a recent conversation my husband had with our son, our son told him that someone in the church told him all about interventions, and that he knew people in the church who had undergone interventions. He said that he was told by church members that interventionists kidnap and restrain members, locking them in rooms against their will for weeks at a time sometimes. He also said he was told that Steve Hassan is a "family destroyer."
First of all, if a family goes to Steve Hassan, hires him to do an intervention, and he does it successfully and reunites that person with his/her family, how could he be a "family destroyer?" The logic just isn't there, is it.
Second, no legitimate exit counselor would EVER forcibly restrain anyone and keep them in a room against their will. This would be kidnapping, which is a federal offense, and that interventionist would be in jail. Steve Hassan is not in jail, and is one of the foremost authorities in the nation on cults and interventions, and that is proof that he doesn't do this. Plus, if a member ever read his books he would see that Mr. Hassan doesn't advocate this type of thing at all. Someone in that church told my son blatant lies about this. Their purpose? To make my son paranoid about us plotting an intervention as a way to keep him from coming home to visit, or to come home paranoid and on edge the whole visit over an imaginary plot we supposedly were concocting. Three times they have had him all worked up and paranoid, and it was a total pack of lies all three times. My son is set up every time. Don't you think he might see what is happening at some point when you are always wrong?
It appears that Mr. Hassan has proof on his side if the topic is slander, doesn't he. What say you, G
? I know you are reading this. My son said so.
Ah so very recetly
Simon wrote:
Ah so very recetly
Shim, you seriously don't remember the day i came on here dropping f-bombs and having a party.
That was the same day the "All knowing one" rvealed himself to me and I joined his church…..thank you Stained
Let's make this a "happy birthday Harry" thread! :))
Forget the koreans. They don't deserve a thread
Happy Birthday Harry! I'm sure this will be one of the best birthdays ever! Congratulations on getting your daughter out! That is my heart's deepest desire – that my child discovers the lies of WMSCOG and comes home.
So happy for you Harry. Happy birthday and congratulations for the success! It is definitely a big win!
Harry? Birthday? :-S
emil wrote:
Harry? Birthday? :-S
go back to 1st page. lol
Harry wrote:
MountainMom wrote:
Anyway, the point was that my son was told that interventionists do kidnap people and hold them against their will, and Steve Hassan was someone they especially warned him against. The point is; a lie was told to inspire fear in my son of something that is totally not true. It was done as a strategy. Let's not lose sight of that point.
There is no question the wmscog spends tons of time and money trying to discredit Steve Hassan and they definitely spend a lot of time instilling lies and fear in the minds of their members about him.
When my daughter saw Steve Hassan walk through our front door she was fit to be tied. I have never seen her that angry. She new exactly who he was and that was from just a glimpse at the front door from about 40 feet. She was screaming get him out of our house get him away from our family. She saw red and I mean really saw red. i know that because I later found out that she thought he was the devil and his mission was to bring the whole family to ***"satans house". A few hours later she asked for a sidebar in the other room and she said, of all the people in the world why did you have to pick HIM! I said, honey I didn't pick him the wmscog picked him. The best place to find out about all the skeletons in someones closet is to go to their own self proclaimed biggest enemy the one they call the devil. I believe that sidebar was the first crack in their "armor"
My daughter and Steve had a bit of a rocky weekend (If your here Steve, I still feel bad about that buddy) but she did tell me that surviving a certain death encounter with the devil himself was further proof that the wmscog was crapola and the fact that they spend so much time telling the members this, further solidifys it. Today she loves and respects Steve Hassan and so do I.
Oh poor Dano, you really messed up the whole Hassan thing the more you bad mouth him the more effective he becomes and to make matters even worse for you she's really bright and could have made you a whole lot of money$$$$$. I wasn't going to tell you that Dano but today is my birthday and breaking your bawllz is my birthday present to myself.
Ph/u/c/k yeah Harry !!!!! Rock on my good man. Give that daughter of yours a hug for me. Happy Birthday !
I wont help you and your no true scotsman fallacy MM
and yes I do know in fact there is in reality no legal way to do exit counseling between kidnapping and unlawful detention etc.
fly lice wrote:
Let's make this a "happy birthday Harry" thread! :))
Forget the koreans. They don't deserve a thread
cheers to that
Simon wrote:
I wont help you and your no true scotsman fallacy MM
and yes I do know in fact there is in reality no legal way to do exit counseling between kidnapping and unlawful detention etc.
Well, I was prepared to hold her against her will if necessary but looking back i should have known she would would have never walked out on her family. That said I did have 2 local PD units in the street and private security (Vinny & Rocco) on the property just in case they sent someone over to yank her out. We are pretty sure they did send someone but they drove away when they saw the cops out front.
I believe many members, deep down, want to be saved.
BTW, thanks for the birthday wishes, LOL, pretty funny. (Stained knows what I really want for my birthday, c'mon buddy give it up)
Harry wrote:
(Stained knows what I really want for my birthday, c'mon buddy give it up)
Your two front teeth?
Harry wrote:
Well, I was prepared to hold her against her will if necessary but looking back i should have known she would would have never walked out on her family. That said I did have 2 local PD units in the street and private security (Vinny & Rocco) on the property just in case they sent someone over to yank her out. We are pretty sure they did send someone but they drove away when they saw the cops out front.
I believe many members, deep down, want to be saved.
BTW, thanks for the birthday wishes, LOL, pretty funny. (Stained knows what I really want for my birthday, c'mon buddy give it up)
hey Simon, you can't get more legal than that can you? Specially Vinny and Rocco with a bulge under their suits.
I think we should see our conversations as learning from each other not to debate to the death. The main issue, one states his/her opinion and the other may state otherwise which is perfectly fine. And we all should leave it at that. Let's stick with the main problem and play nice…
MountainMom wrote:
@Simon: I wasn't asking for your help, I was calling you out on your statement about exit counselors. And of course, you did not rise to the occasion. But then, I knew you wouldn't. It's OK. Just remember it's a better idea to back things up here, not just throw out random comments to be contrary. That helps no one and only hurts your credibility.
By pointing this out, as I have done for you before, I am trying to actually help YOU. So, you are welcome.
You weren't asking for my help you were trying to trick me as you set up a no true scotsman argument yet as I said there is no way I can conceive of doing it without kidnapping or unlawful inprisonment etc.
MountainMom wrote:
Agreed. I was actually trying to point out that we need to stick to the main problem. I see Simon's comments as a diversion most of the time. My honest opinion, and likely the opinion of others.
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