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The wmscog loves to throw the term "slander" around, but I don't think they really know the meaning of the word. It isn't slander if it is true. In a recent conversation my husband had with our son, our son told him that someone in the church told him all about interventions, and that he knew people in the church who had undergone interventions. He said that he was told by church members that interventionists kidnap and restrain members, locking them in rooms against their will for weeks at a time sometimes. He also said he was told that Steve Hassan is a "family destroyer."
First of all, if a family goes to Steve Hassan, hires him to do an intervention, and he does it successfully and reunites that person with his/her family, how could he be a "family destroyer?" The logic just isn't there, is it.
Second, no legitimate exit counselor would EVER forcibly restrain anyone and keep them in a room against their will. This would be kidnapping, which is a federal offense, and that interventionist would be in jail. Steve Hassan is not in jail, and is one of the foremost authorities in the nation on cults and interventions, and that is proof that he doesn't do this. Plus, if a member ever read his books he would see that Mr. Hassan doesn't advocate this type of thing at all. Someone in that church told my son blatant lies about this. Their purpose? To make my son paranoid about us plotting an intervention as a way to keep him from coming home to visit, or to come home paranoid and on edge the whole visit over an imaginary plot we supposedly were concocting. Three times they have had him all worked up and paranoid, and it was a total pack of lies all three times. My son is set up every time. Don't you think he might see what is happening at some point when you are always wrong?
It appears that Mr. Hassan has proof on his side if the topic is slander, doesn't he. What say you, G
? I know you are reading this. My son said so.
Sort of. It seems they are told what to expect. They prepare them for every scenario and they have answers to EVERYTHING. It can get a bit frustrating at times…
In my opinion that is just a way for them to defend their religion and to not loose members. Giving fear with non proved concepts of interventions and (XXXXX loves to PM me about my concepts not having evidence). Interesting. I wonder if that is at every church location to just at this one.
Speaking of slander… Doesn't this kind of thing make you wonder who is really slandering who?
genny wrote:
Speaking of slander… Doesn't this kind of thing make you wonder who is really slandering who?
yeah, but unfortunately you see these things only once you're out.
They have no idea who's slandering, how and why… just regurgitating like a cat on acid.
Shortly after I left I was told I should not be listening to all those rumors I've heard because there was this false prophet who used to spread lies about the WMSCOG and who now lies in prison, cause he deceived many people, you see.
Who's that guy? Has anyone heard of him?
Is he real?
Actually, the Bible clearly states that actually, I, Stained, actually, would actually return to Earth actually to actually rule actually and that actually is so amazing and truly truly a blessing actually to all those who actually recognize actually, me, actually. Remember, people actually slandered actually Jesus and actually that actually proves that actually the people of this age actually would slander me actually and my Spiritual Queen, Michele. She actually is sooooo amazing actually and truly truly the actual Mother of us all actually. Read actually Galations 4:26, if that's not actually Michele, who actually could it actually be ? It's actually so amazing actually. I actually set up the actual Bible actually as actually a giant riddle actually and actually left it actually for you actually to figure out actually. Only 2014 years and actually, you already cracked the actual code actually. You guys are actually so amazing, truly truly I say this to,<long pause> actually, you, actually, our Stainiacs…
of course they know what it means they are just denying the claims are true, further some exit counsellors do hold against their will (doesn't mean Hassan does) if it were successful its likely he wouldnt be arressted as no one would press charges
Steve Hassan has had failed interventions, but he never does anything illegal that would cause him to be arrested. The tatics WMSCOG are describing happened over 20 years ago with families and counselors who were desparate to get their loved one to listen to the truth. It doesn't happen now. As Mountain Mom said, if he did anything illiegal he would be arrested (and don't you think the WMSCOG would fight him in court and try to get him to serve time – YOU BET THEY WOULD! But they can't.) He is by the book. They don't like him because he has rescued former members and it has taken money out of their pockets. All this is just another phobia they implant in the member's minds.
No true scotsman fallacy.
Further wmscog COULDN’T press charges against someone for kidnapping only the freed person who obviously wouldn’t
NOTE: I never said Hassan did.
Mm is your son still in?
MountainMom wrote:
Yes, I read your comment, Simon. But you still haven't given the name of any bona fide exit counselor that did do this, have you? Because you don't know of any, you just kind of threw that out there.
I don't know whay defines bona fide
MountainMom wrote:
Anyway, the point was that my son was told that interventionists do kidnap people and hold them against their will, and Steve Hassan was someone they especially warned him against. The point is; a lie was told to inspire fear in my son of something that is totally not true. It was done as a strategy. Let's not lose sight of that point.
There is no question the wmscog spends tons of time and money trying to discredit Steve Hassan and they definitely spend a lot of time instilling lies and fear in the minds of their members about him.
When my daughter saw Steve Hassan walk through our front door she was fit to be tied. I have never seen her that angry. She new exactly who he was and that was from just a glimpse at the front door from about 40 feet. She was screaming get him out of our house get him away from our family. She saw red and I mean really saw red. i know that because I later found out that she thought he was the devil and his mission was to bring the whole family to hell "satans house". A few hours later she asked for a sidebar in the other room and she said, of all the people in the world why did you have to pick HIM! I said, honey I didn't pick him the wmscog picked him. The best place to find out about all the skeletons in someones closet is to go to their own self proclaimed biggest enemy the one they call the devil. I believe that sidebar was the first crack in their "armor"
My daughter and Steve had a bit of a rocky weekend (If your here Steve, I still feel bad about that buddy) but she did tell me that surviving a certain death encounter with the devil himself was further proof that the wmscog was crapola and the fact that they spend so much time telling the members this, further solidifys it. Today she loves and respects Steve Hassan and so do I.
Oh poor Dano, you really messed up the whole Hassan thing the more you bad mouth him the more effective he becomes and to make matters even worse for you she's really bright and could have made you a whole lot of money$$$$$. I wasn't going to tell you that Dano but today is my birthday and breaking your bawllz is my birthday present to myself.
how long ago was this Harry?
Simon wrote:
how long ago was this Harry?
April 21st 2013
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