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This is a formal challenge to all WMSCOG members. The challenge is for you to find for me anywhere in the Bible the phrase, “god the mother.” You can find God the Father, Son of God, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, God the Holy Ghost. Your task is to show me, “god the mother” word for word. Your time starts now.
loocpoc wrote:
Iam going by what is written in Breshit..
26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'
And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'
Breshit 2
Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
John more than likely did not understand the meaning of the bride. John was not a learned man but one who followed blindly. The bride has been revealed as the Sabbath Queen, welcomed into the home by the wife for the wedding feast. The bride has never been a physical person.
Actually the Gospel of Miriam does test to this. Even in the gospel of John it is mentioned that she was his most beloved disciple and the first to go to his tomb.
The 7 "days" are not actual days. If you read the entire seven day creation literally, you end up with three suns in the sky, two moons, the sky is in a funky place, its actually pretty ridiculous.
Also if you read breshit "2" literally, it says that man was made BEFORE all the kinds of tress and before eden, and that the whole earth was barren except for dust. That contradicts with the previous chapter, which says the bushes and trees were made before the man.
To make a long study short, Ezekiel chapter 28 says "you were in eden" it also says "you were on the holy mount of god" it also says "so I threw you to the earth". Therefore, Eden is on the Holy Mount of God, in Heaven and /= Earth, which is the seperate place we were thrown down to.
Long mystery short: The 7 day creation is a parable about God's plan
Science, which compliments our God of Truth, proves that the earth is millions of years old.
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That excuses John from not knowing, but what about all of the other requirements of the Bride?
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Where is the gospel of miriam?
Thank you, wms brother. Here is Isaiah 66:10-13. I'll add my comments as they relate to what you have said…
<sup class=”versenum”>10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her,
all you who love her;
rejoice greatly with her,
all you who mourn over her.
<sup class=”versenum”>11 For you will nurse and be satisfied
at her comforting breasts;
you will drink deeply
and delight in her overflowing abundance.”
<sup class=”versenum”>12 For this is what the Lord says:
“I will extend peace to her like a river,
and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream;
you will nurse and be carried on her arm
and dandled on her knees.
Jerusalem is described in female terms, but we also call countries and cities that way (sx. "your mother country" or "sister cities"). It says that 'Jerusalem' will bring us joy and comfort, but it does not say that Jerusalem is (a) God. This can also easily be interpreted as simply the city of Jerusalem, or as the Jewish homeland, or even as the Church.
<sup class=”versenum”>12 For this is what the Lord says:
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<sup class=”versenum”>13 As a mother comforts her child,
so will I comfort you;
and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.”
"LORD" is the translation of "Jehovah." Jehovah is describing Himself in terms of a mother. The wmscog teaches that Jehovah is Father God, and that Father God and "Mother God" are distinct and separate gods. This is referring to Jehovah and not 'Mother.'
WMS brother wrote:
There is a person on the earth today, whom we call Jerusalem, who is visited by people from all across the world, even Kings, and recieves their praises and gifts.
Her name is Zahng Gil Jah. The wmscog calls her "Jerusalem" and says she is God, and that's why all your members want to visit her. Calling a woman "Jerusalem" and saying she is God, does not make it the truth. That's why we are here to discuss things a little more in depth.
Out of curiosity, which "kings" have visited your 'mother jerusalem'?
Thats why I said Gal. 4:26 is a lot more to the point that the Heavenly Jerusalem isn't a city, like your now suggesting, and is in fact our Mother.
Understanding that makes the heartfelt reunion Jehova describes in Isaiah 66 rather important.
Previous to Jehova saying I will take care of you like a mother, he says that Jerusalem is actually the one who will. So which is it? Clearly both. Jerusalem, according to the will of God the Father.
WMS website
**A bunch of letters from actual presidents and governeors giving personal thanks, because most if not all of the "awards" are actually backed up by genuine appreciation from community leaders.
**Many awards presented in person by said leaders, reference pictures.
The article I'm looking for is about two years old, theres a ton of other articles in the way now, news about clean ups and charities and overseas visiting groups… But I saw the pictures with my own two eyes, I'm not making it up. More pictures when I find them.
Awards presented in hand to Mother from officials will have to suffice for now.* I know we got a lot of pictures of those.
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One thing that just popped into my google as i thought about it; Ignore the Elohim argument for a moment, How do you explain "“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" in hebrew? I've never heard of any translation where a singular spoke like a plural, even from kings.
genny wrote:
Out of curiosity, which "kings" have visited your 'mother jerusalem'?
Just recently The Gabonese President and Crown Prince of Tonga
genny wrote:
You're getting into Gal. 4:26, which is complicated enough with the wmscog interpretation that it should have it's own post. Unless that's the only 'mother' you can find?
Can you find any other verse about 'mother' that would refer to God?
And if there isn't another one with the word 'mother', then go look for descriptions of a mother (like Is. 49:15) that does not refer to the
Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring —those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
WMS brother wrote:
Thats why I said Gal. 4:26 is a lot more to the point that the Heavenly Jerusalem isn't a city, like your now suggesting, and is in fact our Mother.
The wmscog takes Gal. 4:26 (their faulty interpretation), and uses it to say that other verses which talk about 'Jerusalem' are actually talking about 'mother.' We can't talk about these 'Jerusalem' verses representing 'mother' until we first address Gal. 4:26. And since that is the big complicated one, I'd like to talk about that verse last. Right now we are looking for verses about 'mother' not about 'Jerusalem.'
Understanding that makes the heartfelt reunion Jehova describes in Isaiah 66 rather important.
Previous to Jehova saying I will take care of you like a mother, he says that Jerusalem is actually the one who will. So which is it? Clearly both. Jerusalem, according to the will of God the Father.
Ok, both if you want to see it that way. But it still does not mean that Jerusalem is God. You can still have both your city and your God take care of you.
WMS website
**A bunch of letters from actual presidents and governeors giving personal thanks, because most if not all of the "awards" are actually backed up by genuine appreciation from community leaders.
**Many awards presented in person by said leaders, reference pictures.
The article I'm looking for is about two years old, theres a ton of other articles in the way now, news about clean ups and charities and overseas visiting groups… But I saw the pictures with my own two eyes, I'm not making it up. More pictures when I find them.
Awards presented in hand to Mother from officials will have to suffice for now.* I know we got a lot of pictures of those.
Yes, I've seen those awards and letters, and they do not mean much to me since I know how the award from President Obama was obtained.
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One thing that just popped into my google as i thought about it; Ignore the Elohim argument for a moment, How do you explain "“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" in hebrew? I've never heard of any translation where a singular spoke like a plural, even from kings.
You explain it by understanding how the Hebrew word Elohim is used. Start here: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim1.htm
It's a very interesting and scholarly article about the language structure associated with Elohim, and it addresses the question you have. It's in three parts. Please read all three to get a clear picture.
shimon wrote:
Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring —those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
thanks, shimon. But there is still no problem interpreting that woman as the Church. Is there another verse?
yes there is a problem interpreting that woman as a church.
shimon wrote:
yes there is a problem interpreting that woman as a church.
How so?
The woman is in Heaven for part of the prophecy the Church is on earth and will remain on earth until after Satan is defeated
shimon wrote:
The woman is in Heaven for part of the prophecy the Church is on earth and will remain on earth until after Satan is defeated
I had to think about this one, but then I remembered, the Church is connected with both heaven and earth. I don't think I need to explain the earth connection, but here's the heaven connection:
–Jesus, who is in heaven, is the head of the Church (Eph. 1:22-23)
–The Church's 'main headquarters' is in heaven (Heb. 8:1-2)
–Part of the Church membership is already in heaven (Rev. 6:9-11)
Is that enough?
Not really even if I could be convinced there were no God the Mother the Church couldn't resolve the problem.
The Proof is coming soon
New Year is on Tuesday, 1 January 2013
23 days, 23 hours remain till New Year
well actually the first of what they say is 1 Aviv they go by New moon proper.and not first sliver
Kim wrote:
The Proof is coming soon
New Year is on Tuesday, 1 January 2013
23 days, 23 hours remain till New Year
Proof of what? Am I missing something here? LoL.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
Kim wrote:
The Proof is coming soon
New Year is on Tuesday, 1 January 2013
23 days, 23 hours remain till New Year
Proof of what? Am I missing something here? LoL.
- oh sorry Elievalkyrie I did not answer sooner, the proof coming soon was suppose to be seen right after new years, because they said Father's coming & the end of the world was 2012. But as you have read with the other post, they have already changed the verison of the story. Also apparently it also depends on what calendar they are using. Hal says if it's luna then it will be March 11, 2013. Simon says they go by new moon, so I'm not quite sure what he means by that. Either way it looks like they are so smart, that they are always 2 or more steps ahead of the game, for every situation. They always have an answer for everything. But I'm hoping that some members will open up their MINDS, not eyes and Realize what's going on. These members need to step up and say, hey you told me 2012 would be the end, what happens now, how could Mother say that father was coming this year, but now he changed his mind. Don't be afraid to speak up people, your soul depends on it!
- @Simon if it's the moon calendar what date would that be?
The precalculated rabbinical calendar goes by pre calculated dates from really long ago (based on the sliver visable after the new moon) where as Church of God (in my experience when I have bothered to compare) has had it set by the New Moon itself not the sliver. Also Jews use sunset theory and Church of God sunrise theory making it complicated BUT if they follow the same pattern as they have when I had feast calendars that should be March 12 according to the website I checked but IDK how accurate it is or how accurate they are. The problem is we can only check when we they release the feast calendar (for defining what THEY claim is the correct date) but we won't ever see them LOL
I see. I think the wmscog will just deny that they ever said something about 2012 since it is near the end of the year and nothings is obviously happening. But maybe this is too early to say anything, something might happen to prove me wrong. Anyway, I think we all just have to stop holding our breaths in waiting for them to stop recruiting or that they'll admit that they said something about the "end of the world" on 2012 or any year after that because they would just lie through it all.
The fact about the WMSCOG (not the deceived members but the Higher-ups) is that: (1) They lie (2) They'll never stop recruiting as it would defeat their purpose of "spreading the good news" and bearing fruit which is either followers or money (3) The 144,000 is just a ruse to get people to stop asking questions and complaints.
So I think the only way to counter their actions is to go through the people first and tell them that there is a "cult" (and we must really specify that it is the WMSCOG) spreading lies around and if they were approached they'd better not listen to it. I don't know how effective this really is but it helps some.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
I see. I think the wmscog will just deny that they ever said something about 2012 since it is near the end of the year and nothings is obviously happening. But maybe this is too early to say anything, something might happen to prove me wrong. Anyway, I think we all just have to stop holding our breaths in waiting for them to stop recruiting or that they'll admit that they said something about the "end of the world" on 2012 or any year after that because they would just lie through it all.
The fact about the WMSCOG (not the deceived members but the Higher-ups) is that: (1) They lie (2) They'll never stop recruiting as it would defeat their purpose of "spreading the good news" and bearing fruit which is either followers or money (3) The 144,000 is just a ruse to get people to stop asking questions and complaints.
So I think the only way to counter their actions is to go through the people first and tell them that there is a "cult" (and we must really specify that it is the WMSCOG) spreading lies around and if they were approached they'd better not listen to it. I don't know how effective this really is but it helps some.
I agree with you completely. Maybe because I've already lost what was most important to me, I have no qualms with spreading the message to as many people as possible. I'm so tired of hearing timid people say they're waiting for a good time and trying to approach the subject tactfully. It needs to be expressed out loud and made available through as many mediums as possible so everyone is aware of wscog and the negative influence they cause. Whether its facebook, 60 mins, local news, or pastors this cult needs to be put under a light and exposed.
soldier wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
I see. I think the wmscog will just deny that they ever said something about 2012 since it is near the end of the year and nothings is obviously happening. But maybe this is too early to say anything, something might happen to prove me wrong. Anyway, I think we all just have to stop holding our breaths in waiting for them to stop recruiting or that they'll admit that they said something about the "end of the world" on 2012 or any year after that because they would just lie through it all.
The fact about the WMSCOG (not the deceived members but the Higher-ups) is that: (1) They lie (2) They'll never stop recruiting as it would defeat their purpose of "spreading the good news" and bearing fruit which is either followers or money (3) The 144,000 is just a ruse to get people to stop asking questions and complaints.
So I think the only way to counter their actions is to go through the people first and tell them that there is a "cult" (and we must really specify that it is the WMSCOG) spreading lies around and if they were approached they'd better not listen to it. I don't know how effective this really is but it helps some.
I agree with you completely. Maybe because I've already lost what was most important to me, I have no qualms with spreading the message to as many people as possible. I'm so tired of hearing timid people say they're waiting for a good time and trying to approach the subject tactfully. It needs to be expressed out loud and made available through as many mediums as possible so everyone is aware of wscog and the negative influence they cause. Whether its facebook, 60 mins, local news, or pastors this cult needs to be put under a light and exposed.
That's the right way to go Soldier. I also have been spreading this news to my acquaintances so that they are warned beforehand. The wmscog is not active in my city but some of my friends were already approached the previous months before. Luckily, my friends didn't spare them any time nor listen to their lies. If only my brother is not with the wmscog right now I would be more vocal about this in my social sites but since I am still trying to convince my brother, I am trying to keep it low so that he won't find out and get angry with me. But I do try to spread the news about them as much and as safely as I can.
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