[Ms Freedom]

I was watching a show last night on PBS about the Amish. After my dealings with WMSCOG, I now am able to reconize a cult when I see one. I always thought of the Amish as Godly people with outdated ways of living. I now see that their behavior is that of a cult.

Following the Amish program, a show about the Seventh Day Adventist came on. While this show was much more favorable for this sect, they did go into the teachings of Ellen G White and the unfulfilled prophecies. After the "Great Disappointment" failed to produce the return of Christ, people still believed and remained in the church because a new story was spun to explain what happened. (Basically Jesus wanted to give more time for the SDA members to preach).

Here is a link to a website of ex-members.  http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TRON05T7NQ3U880H0

The forum is similar to this one – they discuss messed up doctrine, but the behavior of the group is the same as WMSCOG.

[emil]

[emil]

I was sifting through the ncpcog website earlier today and found something they had to say about Ellen G White. They were saying how in her earlier days as prophet, she was pure and said it was fine to eat all kinds of food like pork, which is not allowed as per the OT. Later on in life she was corrupted and became a supporter of eating restrictions. 

[Ms Freedom]

I think this is a good subject to explore. Here are some facts about the SDA church:

•  Ellen G. White (one of the founders of the SDA church) became a Christian when she joined the Methodist church as a teenager.
• When she married, she and her husband became followers of William Miller, a Baptist preacher
• Miller began teaching on the prophecies of of the book of Daniel and the end times/2nd coming of Christ.
• Using various calendars, Miller predicted that Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844.
• When the 1st date came and passed, all the believers waited daily until March 21, 1844 passed.
• This became known as the "Great Disappointment."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerites
• This divided the group, other sects formed and the leaders began to defend and change the story of why Christ didn't return.

Based on these facts, I have the following questions for the WMSCOG members:

1. IF Ansanghong is the 2nd coming of Christ and is a god, why would he become a member of a church who's founding leaders gave false prophecies?
2. If all the other Christian churches are false and their pastors are apostate prophets, why would ASH be a part of that, specifically following the teaching of a woman who was a Methodist and a man who was a Baptist?

[Simon]

Oy

[Ms Freedom]

No current members answered my questions above so I'm asking if some of the former members can answer the 2 questions above.

If current members were presented with the evidence above, what would be their defense for ASH following a false prophet?

[MountainMom]

I'm not a former member, but I wonder if current members even know what Ahnsahnghong's history is.  All I ever heard was about his sacrifices, and some old movie where they show him hauling rocks up a mountain.  Many didn't even know he had a wife and kids.  it's possible they don't know he was born to Buddhist parents and that he was baptized SDA.  When members are asked about Ahn's background they give the standard question back, "Why do you want to know?" in a very paranoid way. And then no answer is forthcoming, just a switching of the topic. 

But you raise good questions.  The difficult thing is to get them to look at the information critically and answer. 

[emil]

OK let me pretend to be a member.

When Jesus came into the world, he came as a Israelite. Many Israelite leaders had been sinners. Abraham lied about his wife being his sister. Jacob manipulated and cheated his brother and father-in-law. Judah slept with his daughter-in-law and got her pregnant. Jesus' ancestor David was a adulterer and murderer. Many priests were corrupt or downright evil and there were a number of false prophets. Yet Jesus was born into this lineage and followed that religion because it was closest to the true religion.

It is all happening the same way it did 2000 years ago. Christ Ahnsahnghong joined the SDA because it was the closest to the truth. It had the Sabbath and only lacked the Passover.

I can imagine them saying exactly what I have said.

[Simon]

The Green book mentions something about how God could only reveal the light slowly using the analogy of a pitch black room with someone suddenly turning on a bright bright light

[Ms Freedom]

emil wrote:

OK let me pretend to be a member.

When Jesus came into the world, he came as a Israelite. Many Israelite leaders had been sinners. Abraham lied about his wife being his sister. Jacob manipulated and cheated his brother and father-in-law. Judah slept with his daughter-in-law and got her pregnant. Jesus' ancestor David was a adulterer and murderer. Many priests were corrupt or downright evil and there were a number of false prophets. Yet Jesus was born into this lineage and followed that religion because it was closest to the true religion.

It is all happening the same way it did 2000 years ago. Christ Ahnsahnghong joined the SDA because it was the closest to the truth. It had the Sabbath and only lacked the Passover.

I can imagine them saying exactly what I have said.

 B

emil wrote:

OK let me pretend to be a member.

When Jesus came into the world, he came as a Israelite. Many Israelite leaders had been sinners. Abraham lied about his wife being his sister. Jacob manipulated and cheated his brother and father-in-law. Judah slept with his daughter-in-law and got her pregnant. Jesus' ancestor David was a adulterer and murderer. Many priests were corrupt or downright evil and there were a number of false prophets. Yet Jesus was born into this lineage and followed that religion because it was closest to the true religion.

It is all happening the same way it did 2000 years ago. Christ Ahnsahnghong joined the SDA because it was the closest to the truth. It had the Sabbath and only lacked the Passover.

I can imagine them saying exactly what I have said.

 But Jesus didn't choose to be a Jew; he was born into the lineage of David. ASH chose to become a member of the SDA. He didn't have to become a member of the SDA. If he is credited for bringing back the passover, he could have been credited with bringing back sabbath to Saturday. The old saying – you can't choose your family but you can choose your friends, applies to ASH and his choice of becoming a member of a church that originated with people waiting on a mountain for Christ to return. Which brings up another question… If he was a member, why wouldn't he have told them that he WAS the 2nd coming of Christ that they had been waiting for?

My research turns up this as an explanation: After the Korean War, the SDA church sent hundreds of missionaries to South Korea. They converted a lot of Buddists and non-Christians. But since the majority of these people had no up-bringing with Biblical teachings, and the missionaries came and went, the Koreans were left to interpet the Bible on their own without any support from Biblical scholars. Therefore, their interpretations were verse here, verse there until there were many splinter groups with messed up theologies. The SDA may not be (or may be) considered a cult, but it certainly has been the base of many, especially in Korea.

[emil]

^ Jesus was God. He chose the family in which he was born.

Don't forget who I am in this thread. You need to come to Zion and study more. 🙂

[Love'n Honey]

She has a point. Jesus was born a Jew but he wasn't Jewish. Jesus started His church from scratch. Ash did choose to join the SDA and studied with them to learn I pressume. Jesus didn't study. Someone even expressed His knowledge of the Scripture without having studied in the Bible.

[The Chive]

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

She has a point. Jesus was born a Jew but he wasn't Jewish. Jesus started His church from scratch. Ash did choose to join the SDA and studied with them to learn I pressume. Jesus didn't study. Someone even expressed His knowledge of the Scripture without having studied in the Bible.

 Jesus wasnt a jew. The term did not exist. He was an Israelite. Jesus merely gave a different interruptation to the scripture. Also Jesus, while he may have been of the Davidic line, was not of the correct lineage to ascend to be a King.

[emil]

The Chive = loocpoc = Hal

Welcome back Hal

[Love'n Honey]

The term doesn’t have to exist for it to apply. My kind weren’t called black to begin with so I guess my great-great grandparents weren’t black. They were ing/gers. Thanks for clearing that up Chive.

And HUSH Emil! lol, telling secrets and stuff.

[Smurf]

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

The term doesn't have to exist for it to apply. My kind weren't called black to begin with so I guess my great-great grandparents weren't black. They were ing/gers. Thanks for clearing that up Chive.

Your parents were gingers? Whoa! Just when I thought I knew everything about you …

[Love'n Honey]

FR-

LOL! Not gingers.. ing/gers. You unscrambled the letters wrong.

[Harry]

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

FR-

LOL! Not gingers.. ing/gers. You unscrambled the letters wrong.

 Even i got that one Rice, her parents were sing/gers. Renita sings good too!

[Love'n Honey]

Harry-

Lol. Thank you! I decided to turn it into a test. I showed the letters to my coworker and told him to unscramble them. He looked for a few seconds and said he didn't want to. Lol!

[Harry]

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

Harry-

Lol. Thank you! I decided to turn it into a test. I showed the letters to my coworker and told him to unscramble them. He looked for a few seconds and said he didn't want to. Lol!

 you do have a beautiful voice

[Questioninginla]

The word she refers to engendered a way of thinking among those in power to discredit – on many levels along a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes – people to which the word referred to.

In group/out group; out group closed off from providing any critical thinking to in group…by use of a simple label.

[The Chive]

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

The term doesn't have to exist for it to apply. My kind weren't called black to begin with so I guess my great-great grandparents weren't black. They were ing/gers. Thanks for clearing that up Chive.

And HUSH Emil! lol, telling secrets and stuff.

 Well, the problem is jew is an english term derived from the Latinization of Iudea (or Judea). Blacks were called Negro which is Romance language for black….. The "n" came because of the French bayous who couldnt say negro…..Much like kyke is nothing more than a German word for "Kykel" which means east and certain Germanic people would say it about Slavic people (mainly Russians and Poles).