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@FTOS I decide to move our conversation to a new thread, being that you are having an on going coversation with Emil and Genny and I'm only adding a different conversation to that thread. So here is our converation where we started and left off.
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fromtheotherside Is not "hail marry" a catholic thing? do they do it or not? If they do then it's adding, even if they didn't actually write it in the bible, it's adding. So if it's not a catholic thing then I'm mistaken. So you tell me. Do catholics do it or not?
Yes FTOS, I agree! anything outside the bible is adding. Which brings me to question you, why does your church use the prayer of our wishes, instead of OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, as Jesus said.????
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@ KF Was there a new testament when Jesus was on the earth? Then what do you think Jesus were to say, or even his diciples would say, if a Jew came up to them and said, "why do you teach to use father in heaven when that is not in the bible?"
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We should do what God commands KF ^^
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Was there a new testament when Jesus was on the earth? Then what do you think Jesus were to say, or even his diciples would say, if a Jew came up to them and said, "why do you teach to use father in heaven when that is not in the bible?"
No there was no new testament, ok kind of makes sense, but the bible is already written from beginning to end so we must follow what's in it. In this generation we can read it all. there is not going to be a 3rd part to it.
however it was not the age of the HOLY SPIRIT,{ as wms says the age of the Holy Spirit is now}, yet Jesus said
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
If the name of the father was Jehovah and the name of the son Jesus, then what was the name of the Holy Spirit????
My point is what name did they use for the Holy Spirit back then? It's not in the bible.
And why in the book of revelation everyone will praise JEHOVAH.
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Can you tell me about the revelation part and praising Jehovah? I'm not sure where you're exactly talking about KF.
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Actually i don't have the answer for that one, please don't think I have all the answers for our church because then I would be a pastor. ^^ but pls tell me about what you said in revelations.
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Can you tell me about the revelation part and praising Jehovah? I'm not sure where you're exactly talking about KF.
This is what I'm referring to:
[ Threefold Hallelujah Over Babylon’s Fall ] After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
Revelation 19:1-3 (in Context) Revelation 19 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
And again they shouted:“Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”
Revelation 19:2-4 (in Context) Revelation 19
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The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried:“Amen, Hallelujah!”
Revelation 19:3-5 (in Context) Revelation 19 (Whole Chapter)
Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:“Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
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The Meaning Of Hallelujah
“Hallelujah” is a word known worldwide, but many don’t really know exactly what it means. If we’re going to use this word, it would be good to use it rightly.
It is two Hebrew words put together. “Hallel“ means to praise, to boast in, to shine forth, to be worthy of praise, and to be commended. “Jah” is a shortened form of “Jehovah“, which means the Self-Existent and Eternal One. Jehovah is the name of the LORD which emphasizes that God Almighty has no beginning or end. He always has been and He always will be LORD God Almighty. There simply is none greater.
When we put the two words together, we are praising the LORD with all our being, because He alone is worthy of being praised for all the great things He has done and continues to do. When we separate the two words, they are translated “Praise the LORD“. If we see the Greek form of the word, we will see “Alleluia“. It means the very same thing.
[Hebrew <tt>lû-yh</tt>, praise Yahweh : <tt>lû</tt>, masculine pl. imperative of <tt>l</tt>, to praise; see <tt>hll</tt> in Semitic roots + <tt>h</tt>, Yahweh; see <tt>hwy</tt> in Semitic roots.]
Posted 1 hour ago KF
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@FTOS don't forget about the Holy Spirit question.
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He probably is waiting for mother to give an explanation. He refuses to think with his own mind because he believes that God's thoughts are greater than his and mother is God. I am very curious though what he thinks aside from what the church says for him to think. It's not a sin to have your own opinion. Your actions might be sinful but to think something doesn't make sense even though mother said it isn't a sin. Talking about free will, given we have it, it appears the WMSCOG has taken away FTOS's free will to have his own opinion. He only repeats what he was told in the church. Nothing is ever paraphrased as KF demonstrated in another thread. Whenever someone ask him what he thinks, he gives a bible Scripture.
I really like this point about the use of "hallelujah," and I'd really like to hear a wmscog answer to it. Thanks for bringing it up, KF.
Because of the Trinity, ASH is the Father, Jehovah. Yes, we praise God by saying hallelujah. But in doing so we are also praising ASH who was Jehovah in the flesh. WMSCOG answer.
Think about it, in the time when John wrote the book of Revelation, he did not know the New Name in order to write it down. Actually, God Jehovesus didn't reveal it to him just yet. Plus, who is our God the Father in Heaven? It is Jehovah so it makes sense that the elders in heaven said praise Jehovah because that is ASH is the form and role of our Father. Also, we can clearly see that Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God which is not to be taken literally. To sit at the right hand of God means to obey God's will. When Jesus was on the cross, it was the RIGHT side robber who was saved because he was spiritually at the right hand of God. He proclaimed with his mouth that Jesus is the Saviour of that age. Think about it, we are in the age of the HS so we must proclaim with our mouths the New Name of God that we may be saved. But how can we be born of just a Father? Actually, it is our Heavenly Mother who's gives us our eternal life so we must return to her with repentance and tithes. =)
Wrong.
Same reason jah is a diminutive for Yehovah would work for Yehoshuah
When i hear Jah, I think of Haile Selassie I.
Lol lets not worship him either
My dear Simon, there are just too many second coming Christs running around town. My…. goodness. What’s going on.
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Well I guess since there was no answer to the original question in this thread, I guess I was right about the name of Jehovah being praised in the end. ๐
God is Jehovah and Jesus is his son the king of kings & lord of lords who sits on his right on.
That is why a little boy claimed that God uses his left hand. ๐
Hey kidding.
KF wrote:
Well I guess since there was no answer to the original question in this thread, I guess I was right about the name of Jehovah being praised in the end. ๐
God is Jehovah and Jesus is his son the king of kings & lord of lords who sits on his right on.
Well I did give an explanation for why you could say Hallelujah if there were just two names. Breaks with ASH though lol
Because we go to Mother through Ahn duh! ๐
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