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Everyone here knows our intereptation for this verse. As everyone only says we are wrong no one cares to give an explanation. That's very cowardly, this is a debate, Joshua(not attacking the person but method) likes to say, study it yourself, but that defeats the purpose of debating.
I see more persecution complex.
Noone here hates you
144000 wrote:
You cannot accuse FTOS of forcing anything, it is you who are intolerant of other people's beliefs. It is you who is forcing your beliefs where they do not belong. Even we go away and leave people be to believe what they choose after we can say with clear concience that we "tried". We are only responding now to defend ourselves against your continued hatred.
Now it is you who are showing a lack of comprehension. You have totally misunderstood the word "forced" in its context. I used it in the context that FTOS squeezes out a meaning that the original text in no way implies. You misunderstood my sentence and reacted. Questioninginla correctly responded directly to your ill-conceived reaction. I would not be on this forum debating with you guys if not for the fact that you guys bad mouth people who follow true Christian beliefs. Questioninginla has correctly pointed that out. We are not here to hate you guys. We are here only to tell you that you are selling your souls after your eyes have been blinded.
There are many times in the bible where god uses the husband-wife analogy in comparison to faith.
There is a place where he calls the people his bride. There is a place hwere he calls a single prophet his bride. There is a place where he calls that prophet's mother his bride, there is a place where he calls the whole nation his bride, and there is a place where he says that the church is like his bride, and there is a place where he says that an entirely different bride than all of the previous brides listted before is coming DOWN out of heaven, the new jerusalem.
This is not twelve literal gates of gold and precious stones that are going to crash down to earth. It is a person, the one who sat on God's throne with the appearance of jasper.
There are parts which are literal such as "the woman" and "the bride" and "she is our mother".
There are parts which are metaphorical such as mother being described as the city we dwell in.
There are commandments which are physical such as marriage adultery.
There are prophecies which are spiritual such as God the Mother being the bride of God.
Understanding when and where metaphors begin and wend, and where physical things end and spiritual things begin, is what you people are failing to do.
For if you could understand, than your advice would not contradict the hundred other places God compares a variety of things to being his bride, which all seem to contradict if anyone were to humor your "interpretations".
Your lack of understanding corners you more than any triumphant bragging you pretend applies to us.
My dear friend. None of what you have mentioned zeroes in on who exactly is the bride. I would rather accept NT sources than OT for the bride definition. But since you guys prefer the words of the one you call father, I had quoted his own words to you. Let us see what he says:
It is written, ‘The Spirit and the bride said,’ (Revelation 22:17) where the bride is the same bride in Revelation 21:9-10. It is written ‘I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb,’ and the wife of the Lamb are the saints. (Revelation 19:7-8) writes ‘wedding of the Lamb has come and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear. Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.’ In another translation, ‘His bride has made herself ready and by God’s permission she wears bright and clean clothes. Fine clothes stands for the righteous acts of God’s people.’
How would you rebut your father's teaching on the subject? Who would you rather believe, your Father or the GP?
144000 wrote:
There are many times in the bible where god uses the husband-wife analogy in comparison to faith.
Yes, that's true.
There is a place where he calls the people his bride. There is a place where he calls a single prophet his bride. There is a place where he calls that prophet's mother his bride, there is a place where he calls the whole nation his bride, and there is a place where he says that the church is like his bride,
I know the places where the people, the nation, and the church are called His bride.
But please give the verses where God calls a single prophet and that prophet's mother His bride. I don't recall those, and I can't seem to find them. Where are they? Please point them out or I'll be left wondering if this is another one of your additions to the Bible
and there is a place where he says that an entirely different bride than all of the previous brides listted before is coming DOWN out of heaven, the new jerusalem.
This is not twelve literal gates of gold and precious stones that are going to crash down to earth. It is a person, the one who sat on God's throne with the appearance of jasper.
If "the one who sat on God's throne with the appearance of jasper" is the bride (Zahng, 'mother god'), why is He always described in male terms (he, him, his) all the way through Revelation?
I don't buy any of it, Hal, save your achievements. Congrates! We share a little in common.
@144000 – "There are parts which are literal such as "the woman" and "the bride" and "she is our mother"."
Your entire point of view on who the bride is, hinges on what you think is literal and what is figurative. This is a very subjective assessment and we could argue without a resolution on this alone.
However, there are some verses which are crystal clear about whether they are literal or figurative and "she is our mother" comes squarely within this category. "she is our mother" is figurative without doubt. Do you want proof or do you know it?
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I see more persecution complex.
Noone here hates you
Shim, sorry but I think your wording is slightly off. It should read, ALMOST, no one here hates you.
These guys are part of the scam and a major player in the cover up. They know that too many of their members are researching and probably ending up here. There's no way of telling how many hundred's of members come here and don't log in. Well it can't be that many cause they don't have that many members. Which is another reason why they fight so hard for every member. (Every penny counts) These are tough times for organized crime even my bookie takes 2 weeks to pay.
Soooo, these guys are here everyday, day after day, like a trial lawyer trying desperately to prove a sliver of reasonable doubt in a hopelessly open and shut case. So yeah, ALMOST, no one here hates them! Of course, everyone here is entitled to their own opinion. Hmmm, theres an interesting concept
^ I honestly don't hate them. I think Questioninginla has hit it right with the name he has given them "3 blind mice". I do think they believe they have the truth and have been manipulated so thoroughly that they enthusiastically want to give the poisoned candy to all of us. Despite all they do, I feel sorry for them.
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