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Everyone here knows our intereptation for this verse. As everyone only says we are wrong no one cares to give an explanation. That's very cowardly, this is a debate, Joshua(not attacking the person but method) likes to say, study it yourself, but that defeats the purpose of debating.
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]
28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
That's all it means to me.
If this is about what Genny has written, I'm letting her answer this one but I am rather amused by your use of we and us in "i'm asking why is paul calling us his Mother?" and "So you're saying the Jerusalem that is above in Gal, is not the same as the Jerusalem in Rev 21? If that's not what you're saying then you still haven't answered the question, if you think we the saints, are the bride in rev 22 then we are the Jerusalem in rev 21, and in Gal Paul calls us, Jerusalem, his mother???? So we are Paul's Mother??? why???"
On the other hand, if you are refering to what Disturbed posted, then you better question Ahn about what he meant.
By the way, there is absolutely no dichotomy between Rev 21 and what Paul refers to in Gal 26. It would be clear to you once you shed your fixed notion about the bride being a woman. As long as you hold on to that, you mind will remain clouded.
Your question itself makes assumptions. You assume that I/we/whoever is saying that Rev 21 and Gal 4:26 are not the same entity. You say you need an answer to your next question only if your first assumption is right. Now if I tell you that Rev 21 and Gal 4:26 are about the same thing, then that is the end of the story. Your second question stands null and void in the way you have written it.
You guys have swallowed an interpretation of Gal 4 from your GP and ZGJ that even your own god condemned. See what Disturbed has posted. What more answers do you want? You need to get out of there before you lose your soul for eternity.
Not applicable is an answer
The same way the following is not referring to a mother God or God having a wife, is the same way Galatians 4:26 is not referring to a woman from wherever being the female God: Proverbs 31:26-31 “She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. Her children arise and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: Many woman do noble things, but you surpass them all.” Charm is deceptive , and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. Give her the reward she has earned, and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.
I see you fail to listen
I'm the new G. 8 point Oh yall. Hollar.
I have answered your question the way I have understood it. If that is not the answer you were expecting you may want to look at your question again.
The way I understand it is:
Is Rev 21 and Gal 4:26 the same or different? If it is different what is Paul refering to in Gal 26?
The answer to the first is "they are the same". In view of that I do not need to answer the second. But here it is anyway. Paul is also talking about the church. Can I be clearer than that?
^ If I got your question wrong, please feel free to ask the question clearly without any other embelishments. I have the courage to answer questions. Apparently you lack that courage and hence you are avoiding answering my question about the feast dates as per your calendar.
The reference of the city is explained right at the start of Galations. It is a metaphore. How do you revear a mother? Do you love her? Do you show respect? Is your mother inviting? Does she show love? Do you feel safe around your mother? Do you also feel like if someone or something was going to hurt her that you would step up and defend her? This is the was we as the church need to be with and for each other and at the right time we will be the bride of Christ.
Something that is not addressed that I am curious about is that once Christ has His bride what will that give birth to? Food for thought. Possibly more important than dumb stuff like which day you focus your worship on and do you celebrate Christmas.
fromtheotherside wrote:
Good going Emil, so then if we as saints are the Jerusalem, why does Paul refer to us as his mother in Gal? It wouldn't make sense to just say it is the church because the church is the saints. So I am Pauls Mother?
Mark 3:35
Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother
Might want to look up suzerainty covenants might help understand
fromtheotherside wrote:
Good going Emil, so then if we as saints are the Jerusalem, why does Paul refer to us as his mother in Gal? It wouldn't make sense to just say it is the church because the church is the saints. So I am Pauls Mother?
The Jerusalem refers to the church as a body of people as well as a place. Paul refers to the church as his mother. You again include yourself in "us" which I find amusing. You are not part of that church. You are part of another church that worships a goddess. What Paul is refering to in 4:26 can only be understood if you can shed your mother god notion for a while and understand Gal as a whole instead of using isolated verses. Moreover, as Disturbed has already pasted the writings of ASH in his book on the New Jerusalem, it should be clear to you from the writing of your own god. He himslef has defined it as a place and not as a woman.
Speaking of Paul's reference to mother, I guess most of us are familiar with how we call our country our motherland. Rare exceptions are Nazi Germany where it was called fatherland.
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