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Everyone here knows our intereptation for this verse. As everyone only says we are wrong no one cares to give an explanation. That's very cowardly, this is a debate, Joshua(not attacking the person but method) likes to say, study it yourself, but that defeats the purpose of debating.
Chapter 16 She Claims to be the Only Bride
Let’s read the Bible passages that Um Sooin uses to claim that she is the only bride. If the matter at hand proves to be false, we must know that everything that she says is false. Um Sooin refers to the Biblical passage of Revelation 22:17.
Um Sooin claims that she is the bride in the passage “The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come!’.” Futhermore, it is incredible that Um Sooin says that the voice in the passage “and I heard a loud voice from the throne” is Um Sooin herself.
The Throne of God is a place that only He abides and the Lamb of God is at the right hand of God. The loud voice coming from the throne cannot come except from the Lamb of God. Neverthless, the fact that Um Sooin arrogantly states that she has made the loud voice reveals that she is extremely mentally ill.
These arrogant words were written on pages 22-23 of a book that Um Sooin has published.
Then, we must seriously examine whether the words that Um Sooin has spoken are true or false. If what she has claimed is not true, it is an obvious act of blasphemy and both her and her followers will not be able to escape great punishment (reference Isa. 9:16).
Next, let’s examine the Biblical passages on the issue of the bride.
It is written that “the Spirit and the bride say” (Rev. 22:17). It is true that the bride here is the same bride found in Revelation 21:9-10. Since it is written, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb,” the wife of the Lamb is the saints.
compare
[Rev. 19:7-8; reference the Bible] with
[Rev. 19:7-8; reference the Common English Bible]
Therefore, just as the prophecy of the bride, the bride stands for the New Jerusalem in Heaven and the New Jerusalem stands for the 144,000 saints.
The 144,000 saints are all brides and the bridegroom is the New Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem is spoken of also as the Tabernacle of God (reference Rev. 21:3) and this tabernacle was prepared by the Lord 1,900 years ago (reference Heb. 8:1-2).
When this tabernacle (reference Rev. 21:3, 9-10) comes down to this earth, it will be 1,000 years after the world has ended.[Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.]
When continuing to examine Revelation 20:1-15 carefully, it is seen that the prophecy will come to pass 1000 years after the world has ended. Nevertheless, the prophecy of Revelation 21:1-10 is mentioned falsely as if she is speaking the prophecy with a loud voice in pages 22-23 of a book that she has published. There cannot be such an insolent act like this.
The events mentioned in Revelation 20:21-22 come to pass after the Millennial Kingdom so this special attention must be paid to this point. The new heavens and the new earth in Revelation 21:1 are mentioned in I Peter 3:6-13 as well.
[as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.]
Therefore, the new heavens and the new earth (Revelation 21:1) are created after the whole world has been burned up and the Millennial Kingdom has passed.
Interpretation on the New Jerusalem and the Issue of the Head Covering of Brides, ASH
The prophecy of the bride will come to pass 1,000 years after the world has ended.
Chapter 17 A Curse is Received by Making an Offering to the Queen of Heaven
Um Sooin fulfills the prophecy of the Jeremiah by claiming that she alone came down to this earth from the New Jerusalem and that people must serve her in order to receive great blessings.
【Jeremiah 7:18】「The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.」
Um Sooin claims that she is the only bride, the new heavens and the New Jerusalem. Through this, she becomes a queen and she receive tithes that should be given to Melchizedek. She raises herself up as if she is greater than God.
How arrogant and insolent an act is this? How long will God be patient with her?
【Jeremiah 7:18-20】「The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger. But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame? ” ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground, and it will burn and not be quenched. 」
This prophecy is said to refer to the Roiman Catholic Church worshipping Mary but it becomes more clearer evidence against Um Sooin.
Same book as referenced above
A curse is received by making an offering to the queen of heaven.
Therefore, since the Passover at WMSCOG represents “mother” you will be cursed. The tithes are not in the Order of Melchizedek, but Zhang (Chang), therefore again….CURSED!
Stop leading people to their destruction!
Here's my take:
1. For argument's sake, if we assume the bride is a woman, it could be any married woman. In fact, Umm Soo In stands a better chance than ZGJ because she got the idea of the interpretation first. Your wmscog makes an unsubstantiated claim that can be made by half the world's population.
2. ASH, who was pretty knowledgeable about scripture, called the claim delusional.
3. The bride is the church and that is testified in scripture; specifically Ephesians 5:21-33. See below:
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Right through this Paul writes about the relationship between husband and wife and compares it with Jesus and the Church using similes. In verse 32 he confirms that the whole husband-wife relationship is the metaphor for Christ and the Church.
thats as reaching as wms
No
N/A
Her indetity is unknown
Only Jesus is important to know for salvation
Yes, Simon. True.
Simon wrote:
No
N/A
Her indetity is unknown
Only Jesus is important to know for salvation
True. I have always maintained we should not base our lives on apocalyptic scripture. Not that it is unimportant, but because it lends itself to a large variety of interpretation. Obviously, if there are say 100 interpretations of the same scripture, at least 99 of them are wrong if not all 100 and looking at probabilty alone, we stand a better than 99 in 100 chance of making the wrong choice.
Could I get a Double Burger with everything and Onion Rings instead of French Fires and a Large MelloYello ?
@ Stained: You may not, actually. 🙂 Not a take-away joint.
You said Actually, LOL. "Actually, our Burgers actually are actually better actually for you actually".
I know you like that word so I was just pressing your buttons.
fromtheotherside wrote:
And here are some points also.
1. Is the bride the source of the water of life?
2. If she is the source then why can She not be God?
3. No one here thinks she is the church, or is she? Please give facts to back that up.
4. Is the bride important to know for our salvation?
Here are just some starter questions.
1. No
2. NA
3. The Church is the most likely explanation given what Paul writes in Eph 5:21-33. The church means the faithful.
4. Not essential.
Chapter 7 The Jerusalem in Heaven is Our Mother
【Revelation 21:1-2】「Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 」
Um Sooin speaks as if she is out of her mind when she claims that the New Jerusalem is herself. They use the following verses to support their claims:
【Galatians 4:22-26】「For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 」
They use this passage to assert that Um Sooin is our mother who has come down from Heaven. Um Sooin truly believe that Hagar is the earthly Jerusalem while Sarah is the Heavenly Jerusalem. The only reason that the Apostle Paul wrote Galatians 4:22-26 is to clarify that the history of the family of Abraham is a prophecy.
【Galatians 4:24】「These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 」
This is a prophecy of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Hagar refers to the Law of Moses received on Mount Sinai and the Israelites of the flesh of the earthly Jerusalem while Sarah refers to the New Covenant that Jesus Christ established in the Mark’s attic and the spiritual Israelites. The Apostle Paul is speaking of the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Nevertheless, Um Sooin claims that she is the Heavenly Jerusalem and that she has come down to earth. According to the prophecy of Galatians 4:22-24, Sarah is the Heavenly Jerusalem. However, if the New Jerusalem is Um Sooin, she has then married her son. The reason for this is that Isaac is the son of Sarah, and it is said that Isaac is also Christ. (Gal. 3:16)
Um Sooin has then become the mother of Christ as well as the bride (wife) of Christ.
Um Sooin states that I am Isaac with weakness of sight while claiming that she is Sarah, who is the Heavenly Jerusalem. She is then saying that she will live with Isaac who is her son. How extremely scandalous is this? With this type of misguided delusion, she has become a false prophet and has attempted to gain power. Please think of what will become of her sin and the sin of those who follow after her. (Isa. 9:16)
Same book as referenced above
Please think of what will become of her sin and the sin of those who follow after her! (Includes Um Sooin & Zhang)
fromtheotherside wrote:
Everyone here knows our intereptation for this verse. As everyone only says we are wrong no one cares to give an explanation.
We have talked about the Bride before in the forum, with explanations. You may have missed it.
fromtheotherside wrote:
And here are some points also.
1. Is the bride the source of the water of life?
No. Jesus is the source of the water of life.
2. If she is the source then why can She not be God?
She is not the source.
3. No one here thinks she is the church, or is she? Please give facts to back that up.
Yes, she is the Church. Over and over again in the Bible, believers (collectively) are described as the bride or wife. Eph. 5:22-27; 2 Cor. 11:2; Jer. 2:1-2 and chapter 3; Hosea chapter 2; Is. 54:4-7.
4. Is the bride important to know for our salvation?
Your salvation makes you part of the Bride. If you have not found God's salvation yet, the Church can help lead you there.
Here are just some starter questions.
Good starter questions. Do you have any responses to the answers you've received yet?
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