[justasitis]

I log into and read this site every day. It provides me with very useful information concerning what is going on within wmscog, with its current and ex-members. There must be many like me who use this site as a very useful source of information, yet do not want to 'advertise' their  identity. I just want to say that I have noticed  many and increasing instances of personal attacks, insults, covert racisim etc. that detract from the very important information that is being provided. I would just like to ask that you all remember to comment only from a space of love. Do not degrade yourselves by speaking of rumour, gossip, or even personal opinion sometimes, even if and when feelings do understandably run very high. Personal experience is, I feel, very useful though. Speak of what you as individuals 'know'. That is more than enough.

Having said all that, thank you all, for sharing what you do. It is very important that you continue to keep doing so.

[Harry]

[Harry]

justasitis wrote:

I log into and read this site every day. It provides me with very useful information concerning what is going on within wmscog, with its current and ex-members. There must be many like me who use this site as a very useful source of information, yet do not want to 'advertise' their  identity. I just want to say that I have noticed  many and increasing instances of personal attacks, insults, covert racisim etc. that detract from the very important information that is being provided. I would just like to ask that you all remember to comment only from a space of love. Do not degrade yourselves by speaking of rumour, gossip, or even personal opinion sometimes, even if and when feelings do understandably run very high. Personal experience is, I feel, very useful though. Speak of what you as individuals 'know'. That is more than enough.

Having said all that, thank you all, for sharing what you do. It is very important that you continue to keep doing so.

wow justasitis, i'm so impressed, thou art so smart and righteous, thou must think thou art the all knowing one yourself. How bout you speak only of what you know and not what you percieve to be personal attacks, insults, "covert racism", rumor, gossip and god forbid personal opinion. My personal opinion IS my personal experience. I lived it and still do everyday right alongside all the others who come here and suffer for their loved ones who are still trapped so don't tell anybody how to think feel or speak! 

PS. In the event you are some sweet young kid trying to promote world peace…….I'm sorry for yelling at you don't take it personally xoxo

[Chandler Bing]

Harry wrote:

justasitis wrote:

I log into and read this site every day. It provides me with very useful information concerning what is going on within wmscog, with its current and ex-members. There must be many like me who use this site as a very useful source of information, yet do not want to 'advertise' their  identity. I just want to say that I have noticed  many and increasing instances of personal attacks, insults, covert racisim etc. that detract from the very important information that is being provided. I would just like to ask that you all remember to comment only from a space of love. Do not degrade yourselves by speaking of rumour, gossip, or even personal opinion sometimes, even if and when feelings do understandably run very high. Personal experience is, I feel, very useful though. Speak of what you as individuals 'know'. That is more than enough.

Having said all that, thank you all, for sharing what you do. It is very important that you continue to keep doing so.

wow justasitis, i'm so impressed, thou art so smart and righteous, thou must think thou art the all knowing one yourself. How bout you speak only of what you know and not what you percieve to be personal attacks, insults, "covert racism", rumor, gossip and god forbid personal opinion. My personal opinion IS my personal experience. I lived it and still do everyday right alongside all the others who come here and suffer for their loved ones who are still trapped so don't tell anybody how to think feel or speak! 

PS. In the event you are some sweet young kid trying to promote world peace…….I'm sorry for yelling at you don't take it personally xoxo

 This piece is Stainworthy Harry.  Brilliant ! I guess you would know that being a member of the high counsel.  I hope and pray that some day I too will be considered "Stainworthy". 

[genny]

justasitis wrote:

I log into and read this site every day. It provides me with very useful information concerning what is going on within wmscog, with its current and ex-members. There must be many like me who use this site as a very useful source of information, yet do not want to 'advertise' their  identity. I just want to say that I have noticed  many and increasing instances of personal attacks, insults, covert racisim etc. that detract from the very important information that is being provided. I would just like to ask that you all remember to comment only from a space of love. Do not degrade yourselves by speaking of rumour, gossip, or even personal opinion sometimes, even if and when feelings do understandably run very high. Personal experience is, I feel, very useful though. Speak of what you as individuals 'know'. That is more than enough.

Having said all that, thank you all, for sharing what you do. It is very important that you continue to keep doing so.

I agree with you.  There is plenty to talk about without delving into insults and profanity.  My experience is that people resort to such tactics when they can't think of something substantial to say.  And that's what disappoints me when I read it here because I know the same people do have substantial things to share (and I wish you would more often).

Harry, Stained, and others… Please don't take this personally.  I understand what a hard and frustrating thing it is to be in our situation.  But let's not lose our respect for what's good and right.

[Harry]

genny wrote:

justasitis wrote:

I log into and read this site every day. It provides me with very useful information concerning what is going on within wmscog, with its current and ex-members. There must be many like me who use this site as a very useful source of information, yet do not want to 'advertise' their  identity. I just want to say that I have noticed  many and increasing instances of personal attacks, insults, covert racisim etc. that detract from the very important information that is being provided. I would just like to ask that you all remember to comment only from a space of love. Do not degrade yourselves by speaking of rumour, gossip, or even personal opinion sometimes, even if and when feelings do understandably run very high. Personal experience is, I feel, very useful though. Speak of what you as individuals 'know'. That is more than enough.

Having said all that, thank you all, for sharing what you do. It is very important that you continue to keep doing so.

I agree with you.  There is plenty to talk about without delving into insults and profanity.  My experience is that people resort to such tactics when they can't think of something substantial to say.  And that's what disappoints me when I read it here because I know the same people do have substantial things to share (and I wish you would more often).

Harry, Stained, and others… Please don't take this personally.  I understand what a hard and frustrating thing it is to be in our situation.  But let's not lose our respect for what's good and right.

Ahhhh Genny, I know you are a sweetheart SO please don't take this personally but who are you to determine  what is good and right? I like to think that the "All knowing one", myself and others represent those who have experienced the blunt force truama inflicted by the wmscog. There are 3 main groups affected by this , the koreans who run this scam, (It's not religion it's a scam) the members, who with all due respect are largely anesticizied during their captivity (i know their pain comes later) and those of us who had or still have loved ones trapped inside. Their pain and fear is real and they are literally fighting for their loved ones lives so please don't trivialize what they are and have gone through by boasting your holier than thou persona. Everytime they say something from the heart it IS substantial, you might percieve it as useless ranting but i can assure you it is not. It is in my opinion the most significant expression of honesty, love and caring that anyone will ever hear. Genny, I ask you to please, take your head out of the daisy's and listen to what's in their hearts..it matters and it is substantial.

[Disturbed]

With all due respect…I am a former member who gave many years of my life to this cult. I wholeheartedly believed I was serving the True & Living God. To find out everything was a lie was like having my life ripped apart. I gave this cult my time, my money and my soul (temporarily, at least). To say I’m angry is minimizing my feelings. I have experienced a great loss, albeit it’s a good loss but nevertheless it’s a loss. All of my days were planned with the thought that I was putting God first before all things. I still try to put God first but it’s taking a lot of rebuilding. I no longer have the same plans. I no longer have the same friends, with the exception of my brothers & sisters who also realized the truth of this cult and left.

To those who haven’t experienced being a member count your blessings. I am angry and embarrassed about being deceived. I have trust issues with people I don’t know, always wondering what their motive is to want to know me. I was depressed the first few months because I no longer had my church life. I get nervous when I hear Koreans speak, hoping and praying they don’t belong to the cult. I have mixed feelings all the way around. I apologize if any of my posts offend anyone but this is the only place I can share my experience and people understand. I have tried speaking to people who have no experience with this kind of thing and they don’t get it, can’t believe it happened and can’t fathom that it happened to me.

[Smurf]

@justasitis – I completely agree that the forum should look presentable to others, but you can't have the raw information without the emotion that goes with it.

It's like you're expecting us to run a marathon when we're all in wheelchairs.

[MountainMom]

@Disturbed:  I understand your feelings and I respect them totally.  You can always talk to me because I really sympathize and empathize, as most people on here do.  I also respect Genny so very thoroughly.  She is an unbelievable person, whom I someday hope to meet.  I want to say that I also apologize if I offend anyone here with my comments.  I think I do pretty well most of the time, but sometimes on a bad day I might not be as objective as I would like.  It is just so painful.  But I want to be true to myself, and I hope I present myself well here.  Sometimes it is hard, and I certainly am not perfect.  But I hope I don't detract from the purpose of this site. We have to work together to expose this abomination.  Thanks to Genny for all her posts, and to everyone on here working for exposure. 

[Harry]

Hey Mom, I like Genny too! Everybody likes Genny, what's not to like.

I just think it's not enough to merely inform the world in a polite gentle manner that the the deaf lady in Korea is not God. Perhaps some might say, Harry, why do you have to refer to her as the deaf lady in Korea? Because the last time I checked that's exactly who and what she is.

I think the world also needs to know that the wmscog has inflicted great pain on so many people and left lasting scars.

I think the world needs to hear it and I think those people need to say it……and I hope they don't stop saying it for fear that their honest emotions will offend someone. this world we live in is not a Disney movie. In my humble opinion

[Questioninginla]

I don't really follow this site anymore so it would be outside of my scope to judge the ifs/if nots pertaining to the claims of the OP.  It would probably be best, however, to remember that there are still victims in this group and should they visit the site, what would that experience be like for them?  Would they see confirmation that the outside world is as evil as they are taught?

Facts are facts and people should know if "Mother" is deaf and if she and ASH had an extramarital affair then members should know that their gods had a special exemption to sin.  This group, alike in so many ways to others that spiritually abuse their members, is esoteric.  Jesus associated with the pariahs of His day and he also explified the exoteric nature of His teachings in Luke 12:3.  So, I am in favor of open communication.  The contracts that this group uses to sue people and shut them up should be offensive, for it is a major red flag that many spiritually abusive groups use; indoctrinated members do not see it. 

I don't want to come across preachy because I am not holier than thou and I probably owe an apology to Renita for a snotty reply many weeks ago.  I never had skin in this game, but I do feel for those members still trapped and that what I believe should be the main focus.  The group deserves the comments it gets, but let us assure that trapped members do not remain in any longer than they should as a result of our actions.

[MountainMom]

Harry, I agree that the world needs to know.  And I have also become frustrated when people have told me a couple times that I am going too far with what I am saying, especially when I know I haven't gone as far as I could have, for sure!  I am definitely not going to judge anyone who expresses their pain here on this forum.  I am right with them.  I am so angry and upset that my son's life has been derailed by them!  They have damaged him, and when he finds out what they have really been up to, I am so afraid of how it will affect him for the rest of his life.  This whole thing has hurt our family so much and has nearly destroyed me, literally.  I've never been so low and downhearted in my life as in the last four years, since my son has been involved with this "church."  

I honestly  can't see this ending well for my son.  But I can hopefully help other people if I go about it right.  All of us are in this together, and I definitely value your input, Harry.  You are an asset.   

[Harry]

Mountain Mom, the first person who came to my aid months ago when I was desperate followed shortly thereafter by the one and only Questioning in LA. and then of course the lovely Renita. without you 3 I would have made all the initial fatal mistakes that the wmscog hopes we will make when we first find out our loved one is trapped.

Thanks to you 3 I am no longer desperate and my daughter is safe……THANK YOU AGAIN!

Off topic, I know but i get all mushy when my favorite people are in the room 🙂 oh gosh did i just make a smiley face? I hope the All knowing One doesn't see that!  

[genny]

Thanks, Harry, but not everyone likes me. 🙂  And please don't think I have a 'holier than thou' personality.  I have definitely done my share of ranting and raving (goodness you should have seen me this morning trying to get my kids out the door… no you shouldn't have… it would be embarassing).  I like communicating by print because I have the chance to edit myself.  I can't do that when I'm speaking and the words won't go back in my mouth.

Anyway, I'm not saying we should totally stifle our emotions here.  That would be boring to say the least.  But I'm afraid we will turn people away who really need to read if we can't control ourselves enough to avoid basic insults and personal attacks.  Just remember that the members who read this site are real people like us, with names and faces and families who love them and want them to find freedom from this organization.

[Harry]

genny wrote:

Thanks, Harry, but not everyone likes me. 🙂  And please don't think I have a 'holier than thou' personality.  I have definitely done my share of ranting and raving (goodness you should have seen me this morning trying to get my kids out the door… no you shouldn't have… it would be embarassing).  I like communicating by print because I have the chance to edit myself.  I can't do that when I'm speaking and the words won't go back in my mouth.

Anyway, I'm not saying we should totally stifle our emotions here.  That would be boring to say the least.  But I'm afraid we will turn people away who really need to read if we can't control ourselves enough to avoid basic insults and personal attacks.  Just remember that the members who read this site are real people like us, with names and faces and families who love them and want them to find freedom from this organization.

Agreed Genny and sorry about the "holier than thou" comment.

In the future i will limit my personal attacks and insults to one person only….my favorite paster! Did I mention he and I had a marvelous time at lunch the other day 

[Stained]

Harry wrote:

genny wrote:

Thanks, Harry, but not everyone likes me. 🙂  And please don't think I have a 'holier than thou' personality.  I have definitely done my share of ranting and raving (goodness you should have seen me this morning trying to get my kids out the door… no you shouldn't have… it would be embarassing).  I like communicating by print because I have the chance to edit myself.  I can't do that when I'm speaking and the words won't go back in my mouth.

Anyway, I'm not saying we should totally stifle our emotions here.  That would be boring to say the least.  But I'm afraid we will turn people away who really need to read if we can't control ourselves enough to avoid basic insults and personal attacks.  Just remember that the members who read this site are real people like us, with names and faces and families who love them and want them to find freedom from this organization.

Agreed Genny and sorry about the "holier than thou" comment.

In the future i will limit my personal attacks and insults to one person only….my favorite paster! Did I mention he and I had a marvelous time at lunch the other day 

That Harry was in fact a great story.  I wonder what kind of tip he would have left.  A special [STAINEY AWARD] for going above and beyond.  The rest of you take notes. Congratulations Harry.

[MountainMom]

I'd love to hear your lunch story, Harry!  Maybe you can tell me on private messaging.

[Harry]

Stained wrote:

Harry wrote:

genny wrote:

Thanks, Harry, but not everyone likes me. 🙂  And please don't think I have a 'holier than thou' personality.  I have definitely done my share of ranting and raving (goodness you should have seen me this morning trying to get my kids out the door… no you shouldn't have… it would be embarassing).  I like communicating by print because I have the chance to edit myself.  I can't do that when I'm speaking and the words won't go back in my mouth.

Anyway, I'm not saying we should totally stifle our emotions here.  That would be boring to say the least.  But I'm afraid we will turn people away who really need to read if we can't control ourselves enough to avoid basic insults and personal attacks.  Just remember that the members who read this site are real people like us, with names and faces and families who love them and want them to find freedom from this organization.

Agreed Genny and sorry about the "holier than thou" comment.

In the future i will limit my personal attacks and insults to one person only….my favorite paster! Did I mention he and I had a marvelous time at lunch the other day 

That Harry was in fact a great story.  I wonder what kind of tip he would have left.  A special [STAINEY AWARD] for going above and beyond.  The rest of you take notes. Congratulations Harry.

Oh All Knowing One, you make me blush with pride, another Stainey for Harry and a "special" one at that I will gladly accept but you know what I really want. 

[emil]

@Harry – I want to hear the lunch story too.