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There is one trait that I believe all if not most of the WMSCOG members or former members had upon their recruitment. It was lack of biblical knowledge. One reason we are so amazed when we join is becuase they "answer" our questions. The church gets happy because we had an "open" mind and listened. I can honestly say for myself, I had very little biblical knowledge upon my recruitment. I was amazed at the things the WMSCOG would teach because they made sense. It was all coming from the bible after all. So it must be true right? Not exactly.
Now if a WMSCOG member tries to recruit someone who has studied the bible well and is very knowledgeable in the scriptures, what the WMSCOG says doesn't sound as amazing to such a person. Why? It's because they have studied themselves to find answers. So when they are approached by a WMSCOG member, they are not easily fooled. Ofcourse, to those people, the WMSCOG say they are to blind to see the truth and have a closed mind. Is that really it? No. Not all were blind or closed minded. They were biblicaly knowledgeable enough to see that there was error in the teachings of the wmscog.
The way the WMSCOG works, is that you must study and learn the bible their way. Not your way or someone else's way. Just theirs, because they are right and you are wrong. From the beginning the fear is inflicted that shouldn't dare question anything and just "have faith". Jesus Christ revealed Himself to His followers in different ways to show He was the Christ. However, the supposed "2nd coming christ" of the wmscog never did. What happens is, first you must stick to an order of studies. Then when the wmscog feel your "ready" they begin preaching to you about the 2nd coming and more "in-depth on heavenly mother".
They are very careful in the way they preach things and the way they "reveal" things at certain times. When I was there, I had to preach subjects a certain way inorder to pass. This fact itself should give people suspsion about this church. The apostles and disciples in the new testament, never had to go by a certain curriculum or some guidelines or a specific way of preaching. However, in the wmscog, you can't preach subjects your way. Even if it's the same main point being made. You have to pass a course, then you are allowed to preach a subject.
This church's biggest focus is works. You must work. Wether it's working hard to learn their subjects or working hard to go preach. They are heavely based on works. They claim to have faith, but really they don't. It's not faith. To them in order to gain more faith, requires more work on your part. If you can't stick to all the regulations that are taught, you have "little or weak faith". To those who are firm in keeping regulaitons, they are known as the people with strong faith. You are required to be present at all feasts, weekly services and you must give tithes and offerings. Or else your in danger of hell.
The members seem very happy all the time their. However, I can assure you that not all of them are actually really happy. When I was their, I did "seem" happy. But in actuality I was just following what everyone else was doing because I couldn't let anyone think I didn't have "faith". Everyone would be very nice. Afterall, you must be nice for the new members. It all felt as if you must behave or act a certain way or else God will never except you. Every act I did was mainly because of fear. It didn't come out the pureness of my heart I could feel it. Can anyone relate?
This church is so paranoid about loosing members. They make it clear that we can't do anything with any church member outside of church, unless it's a church activity. You can't date or see anyone. Heck you can't even fix their car. The church says you shouldn't go on the internet or socialize with other people. Especially if they are fallen members or have different beliefs. They have such a fear of people "falling away" that they forbid you to do things. If you are disabled, too poor or homeless or have some kind of condition that will keep you from working, then this church more than likely will not preach to you. And "fallen members" are the devil. You cannot speak to them.
In conclusion there is just way to much nonsence in this church. I mean just look over to the expiriences I had and they way this church is.There is no love of God their. Just fake and fixed love. God is not about behavior modification, but He is about heart tranformation. Jesus Christ changed many lives. He never held them accountable because they didn't do this or do that. He forgave them and showed them love regardless of what they did. Remember what Jesus said to the prostitute – "Neither do I condemn you, now go and sin no more" This was all He said to her. Her life changed after. Why? because she felt the love and forgiveness, and not fear of keeping the rules and regulations. People surrender to God whole heartedly not becuase of fear or because of certain things they must do first. They give their lives to Him because He did not condemn them but loved them.
Nice write up. Yes. I understand you when you say that it's all about works. The movie "I Robot" says it all. As for the biblical prior knowledge, I don't think that's so much it for every ex member and here is why. Sometimes in life one could have foreknowledge of what is but yet yearn for more. This is why the Bible talks of "even the elects may be deceived" (paraphrased). This is called manipulative tactics: "Do you like this and that? Yes, I do. How about I show you a different way to do this and that and in the end you will be guaranteed a ticket to such and such place." One may yeild to that regardless of intellect. A clever illusion of the mind. We read a script to a movie without seeing it first on screen, and our imagination takes us to places that cannot physically be depicted. You watch that same movie later on big screen or Tele and your version appear better – that's the illusion of the mind. Some people have learned how to tap into this arena without you knowing you are being taken for a ride. After all that Peter and Thomas saw they still erred, why? Because of lack of faith and fear. History will repeat itself, dear friend. If ones mind is not guarded strongly, one will be deceived.
very good serg. You have encapsulated your experience very nicely.
I have a piece of advice for all who have left the wmscog. First get rid of the bible where you have highlighted their quotes.
Get a new bible and start afresh.
Thanks for sharing that, Serg.
serg wrote:
The members seem very happy all the time their. However, I can assure you that not all of them are actually really happy. When I was their, I did "seem" happy. But in actuality I was just following what everyone else was doing because I couldn't let anyone think I didn't have "faith". Everyone would be very nice. Afterall, you must be nice for the new members. It all felt as if you must behave or act a certain way or else God will never except you. Every act I did was mainly because of fear. It didn't come out the pureness of my heart I could feel it. Can anyone relate?
This part made me think of The Emperor's New Clothes.
Its funny because of how ignorant you are that most of us come from other denominations and possessed quite a bit of knowledge. Knowledge which lead us to question our own denominations long before we entered the WMSCOG. We all though sunday and christmas and easter were wierd and man-made long before wmscog, and et cetera.
In fact the most commonly heard fragrance of new brothers was that prior to being encountered by wmscog preachers, they had prayed to God for guidance about all the suspect man made teachings, and a lot of members refuted the Mmainstream” ideas of the bride because those mainstream ideas contradict.
Do not be so fast to judge everyone by your own uneducated experience.
It only shows to all the remaining members who is telling the truth about the majority of us.
Most of us also acknowledged the catholic church as the beast and the source of persecution and changed laws long before learning in WMSCOG. Plainly put, there was no brainwashing, they simply clarified already solid theories into the true and factual faith.
But please, insult our intelligence more, I’m sure your blind assumptions are very compelling to the people who read this forum.
Show em how it's done one-four! Spread the word and … drop the beat? /:0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoPV9EUSA4
Ah… classic Jesus. That's why he had the best cheerleading team for three years. All the touring he did with the apostles…
And remeber how they were doing cleanup campaigns all over Jerusalem?
Take an example from Mother, serg!! Don't waste your time reading the context in scripture – Do the Macarena!
144000 wrote:
In fact the most commonly heard fragrance of new brothers was that prior to being encountered by wmscog preachers, they had prayed to God for guidance about all the suspect man made teachings, and a lot of members refuted the Mmainstream" ideas of the bride because those mainstream ideas contradict.
Fragrance is of the olfactory senses. It is smelled, not heard.
Oh wait. Changing words around, like Orwell. YOU MEAN PUBLIC CONFESSIONS / DISPENSING AWAY WITH INDIVIDUAL PRIVACY AND MELDING INTO THE GROUP.
Ignorance is strength
Freedom is slavery
War is peace.
Nice template to follow. 1984 was a dystopian novel.
144000 uses the word "ignorance" in his posts. Its almost laughable. Almost.
….the irony is, ignorance actually is strength.
Never heard fragrences that were public confessions ever
Lets say
The Bride isn't the church
Sunday is pagan
Christmas is pagan
Easter is pagan
etc
God can count to seven Zhang cannot
Zhang claims to be God the Mother on on the testimony of someone who said there is no God the mother
So either She is lying and is not God or Ahn was lying when he said there was no God the Mother and is not God therefore Zhang is lying saying he is God and is therefore not God
Simon wrote:
Never heard fragrences that were public confessions ever
I was wrong once before *uses sarcasm*….
Describe in your words, Simon.
Thanks!
Telling a story of your experiences
Like I said, where do you read the words RCC in the book of Revelation? Not imply but the word RCC. Same way I don't see anything that says Zhang or Ahang. If you feel everyone knows the beast is RCC or whatever you claim, the same way some of us say that Wmscog is not the true church. No need for deep debate on this cause I know better anyway. Denomination means nothing to me. A church means nothing to me. Only Jesus means something to me and with that you'll know the rest.
Serg, what a great job on this reflection on the church. My son had very little biblical knowledge and was impressed with how much his recruiters knew. He has also admitted that not all the people in the church were happy, and I think there have been times when he has had trouble showing the fake "happy face." Now it's just a habit that he shows it while at church. Not so much elsewhere because he really doesn't seem happy. He seems afraid all the time that he has to be perfect in obedience at all times or lose salvation. I'm sad for him and hope he will begin to think for himself again sometime soon. Thank you for sharing your experiences and reflections.
Simon wrote:
Telling a story of your experiences
Subtle, but it still counts…if I understood some of the stories I have been told correctly. "Confessions" are the obvious "I did bad things A, B, and C"; this is usually combined with [leader] has shown me the way and I'm so thankful. The confession category is also "I'm so blessed by [leader]" and "thank you [leader] for your [great sacrifice, etc.] because the underlying tone is that one will return to sin (see Emily's 2nd video post in the "are these similar" thread) if not for the protection of the group/leader. The red flag is that outside of protection of the group one will "return to sin", "have a license to sin", "fall under Satan's influence", and the like.
MountainMom wrote:
He has also admitted that not all the people in the church were happy, and I think there have been times when he has had trouble showing the fake "happy face." Now it's just a habit that he shows it while at church. Not so much elsewhere because he really doesn't seem happy.
This would be a good example of why "brothers" and "sisters", so-called "family", are discouraged from spending time together outside of the spying eyes of surveillance – stories corroborate, which leads to behaviors changing – the main one being thinking; when one is out on a mental island thinking that they are the only one – checkmate!
144000 wrote:
Most of us also acknowledged the catholic church as the beast and the source of persecution and changed laws long before learning in WMSCOG. Plainly put, there was no brainwashing, they simply clarified already solid theories into the true and factual faith.
But please, insult our intelligence more, I'm sure your blind assumptions are very compelling to the people who read this forum.
That is pure conjecture. Do you even know the basis from where that has come? Start a new thread on how the catholic church is the beast if you are so sure of yourself. FTOS already put his footh in his mouth in one such thread and abandonned it when he was proved wrong. All your so-called "evidence" is just regurgitated from a single source.
Hal posted a thesis on Asherah in another thread. Can we use it as a authoritative source to draw conclusions?
Not at all what I said
Literally telling stories of experiences never mentioning sin at all
ok
144000 wrote:
Most of us also acknowledged the catholic church as the beast and the source of persecution and changed laws long before learning in WMSCOG. Plainly put, there was no brainwashing, they simply clarified already solid theories into the true and factual faith.
But please, insult our intelligence more, I'm sure your blind assumptions are very compelling to the people who read this forum.
Insult your intelligence? That's funny…YOU HAVE NO FUCKING INTELLIGENCE ASSHOLE!!!
That's great I just broke another keyboard
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