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Reality distortion field sounds like something from.science fiction it’s actually the term used to describe the ability for people like steve jobs and bill clinton to have charisma and ability to convince others what they want them to believe.
does anyone think that this could be used by wmc?
If anyone knows about this.psychology how would we know as victims and how do you overcome the trickery
Simon wrote:
No it would've been boring to new people too, otherwise like Renita I gotta agree that everything you said fits my experience
That's beautiful, all 3 of you spoke of the postive things, but what were the negative things, that made you not want to be part of that positive experience.
Simon wrote:
A positive lie is still a lie
Exactly, so let's talk about the lies. How long is that list, compare to the positive? What are the lies Simon?
Simon wrote:
Zahng Gil Jah could be the nicest woman on the planet but if she ain't god she ain't getting my worship. Pastors Park and Cheol the nicest men but if they preach lies I cannot listen to them.
As far as Ahnsahnghong I don't know what he said was true and what he said was false, I suspect a lot more of what he said was true than people here want to aknowledge and a lot less was true than what NCPCOG and WMSCOG would want to aknowledge, the truth is usually a lot closer to the middle when speaking of stuff that has been twisted so much over the course of 28 years.
agree! it's not Ahnsahnghong fault, he's not responsible for what other people preached after his death.
Simon wrote:
The lie that got me was keeping the feasts in the eighth month proved Zahng Gil Jah was not God to me which in turn proved Ahnsahnghong could not be God either, or he would have done a better job preventing her spin off of his church from growing so big.
really when was this, and I wonder what they told the members, but seriously speaking here was that year a leap year, or was anything else going on that might have made it fall in the 8th month. I'm just curious, need to double check everything right.
I'm in no ones side here, just want to make sure ๐
What do you mean what were the negative things?? This whole website is based on the negative things. And simon, I was NOT lying…
renita.payno wrote:
What do you mean what were the negative things?? This whole website is based on the negative things. And simon, I was NOT lying…
LOL…I'm feeling a certain vibe here, Let me ask you something, did I say something to you, perhaps you didn't like, because for the last few comments you make after mines, don't feel right. So what's your next step, you gonna call me Dear, or Sweetie! and I did not say you or Simon are lying, I simply ask what were the negatives. I don't see Simon getting all hyper about it. If I misunderstood you I apologize ahead of time.
Simon wrote:
LUV wrote:
Simon wrote:
The lie that got me was keeping the feasts in the eighth month proved Zahng Gil Jah was not God to me which in turn proved Ahnsahnghong could not be God either, or he would have done a better job preventing her spin off of his church from growing so big.
really when was this, and I wonder what they told the members, but seriously speaking here was that year a leap year, or was anything else going on that might have made it fall in the 8th month. I'm just curious, need to double check everything right.
I'm in no ones side here, just want to make sure ๐
2010 was an example of such a year, btw leap years add the month at the end of the year to keep passover in spring they don't add in the middle like gregorian adding a day to a month of febraruy.
Right on, Simon! That's a huge give away for me, and no one from the wmscog has given me a satisfactory answer about it yet. They tried the leap year thing, but you are right about why it doesn't work. They are probably scrambling to some up with something…
I saw that comment about "what are the negative things that made you leave" as a dismissal of the positive things some of us have to say about the members in the wmscog. I will admit that I am extremely irritable due to my flu but [removed for rules violation]
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renita.payno wrote:
I saw that comment about "what are the negative things that made you leave" as a dismissal of the positive things some of us have to say about the members in the wmscog. I will admit that I am extremely irritable due to my flu but at the same time, that was a stupid question. Either that or the sarcasm went over my head.
Because I cannot quote and I don't pay complete attention to who says what, my posts aren't always directed at the person ahead of me. For this reason, I try to make my posts very specific in an attempt to illiminate confusion.
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Yikes. Seems like there's a grumpy, irritable mood out there that's catching. May I suggest everyone take a deep breath and not assume the worst of people and their comments before saying anything regretful.
LUV wrote:
Simon wrote:
No it would've been boring to new people too, otherwise like Renita I gotta agree that everything you said fits my experience
That's beautiful, all 3 of you spoke of the postive things, but what were the negative things, that made you not want to be part of that positive experience.
First. Luv, to answer your question. Hmmm… the REALLY negative thing, for me, is that they teached wrongly. I have no problems with their attitudes or how they treat people (maybe except for that insistent baptism part) because as I have said, they were sincere in their thinking that they have to help rescue other people from eternal damnation. But ofcourse, since I self-read the bible and found out that what they were teachings were wrong and by their wrong teachings that they are actually practicing "paganism" by worshipping false gods, that just flat out put things on a VERY NEGATIVE situation.
So no matter if they were the nicest people on earth (the serpent that deceived Adam and Eve was actually nice too by the way), I wouldn't care because they are TOTALLY disobeying the 1st commandment and that would certainly earn me a 1st-class ticket to Hell. I escaped and would have left them alone BUT SINCE they are dragging my brother along with them, they are soooo not in my top 10 religion list, if i have any. LOL.
Secondly, everyone please don't fight in the forum. We are trying to unite against the wmscog, so can we please focus on the common enemy instead of biting each other's head off? Thank you so much for considering my suggestion. ^____^ frog.
First, I want to say that I agree with something positive that Renita and Simon both said about the wmscog. Many people in the church are good, helpful people who want to do God's will. Also, most people feel that when adults make decisions, it's ultimately their choice, no matter what the influence. However, informed decisions are very important, and I feel that the new recruit is deceived. They are not told right up front what the real basis of belief is for this church. They are not told of the financial, time, and relationship sacrifices that are going to be expected of them in the end. In some cases, they don't even know the real name of the wmscog. They are told it's "Church of God." If they research it, it comes up mainstream, but if you put in "World Mission Society Church of God" there is a lot of information some of which isn't complimentary to the wmscog. This doesn't look good. It makes a more informed person think that maybe it suits their purposes much more to be secretive.
Unfortunately, most people have never encountered something like this. I know I had never conceived of this happening to me or my loved one untill we experienced what i consider to be the destructive influence this group has. It is my opinion that my loved one has been deceived by this group from day one, and though some are innocents because they also don't know they are deceived, I fully believe some may know of the harm they do to their recruits and their family relationships. I know that my loved ones wife told the pastor personally that her husband's constant time at church was destroying their marriage. She pleaded with the pastor to let them have Sundays at least together. Afterwards, their demands on his time were even worse. Is it possible the pastor either has no control over his people or doesn't care what pain the constant demands caused my loved one's wife and marriage. Either way, in my opinion it doesn't look good for the pastor of this church.
Also, I totally disagree that members are not pressured to tithe after they are committed. My loved one had tithing explained by three main people in the church, and he agreed without consulting his wife. The amount was shocking, and was only the beginning of the demands on his finances. He was actually told what amount he needed to give for his "spiritual growth." It appeared to be way more than 10% Do you see at all how excessive demands on time and money without compromise might harm a marriage relationship? This is only one story, one scenario. There is so much more.
MountainMom wrote:
First, I want to say that I agree with something positive that Renita and Simon both said about the wmscog. Many people in the church are good, helpful people who want to do God's will. Also, most people feel that when adults make decisions, it's ultimately their choice, no matter what the influence. However, informed decisions are very important, and I feel that the new recruit is deceived. They are not told right up front what the real basis of belief is for this church. They are not told of the financial, time, and relationship sacrifices that are going to be expected of them in the end. In some cases, they don't even know the real name of the wmscog. They are told it's "Church of God." If they research it, it comes up mainstream, but if you put in "World Mission Society Church of God" there is a lot of information some of which isn't complimentary to the wmscog. This doesn't look good. It makes a more informed person think that maybe it suits their purposes much more to be secretive.
Unfortunately, most people have never encountered something like this. I know I had never conceived of this happening to me or my loved one untill we experienced what i consider to be the destructive influence this group has. It is my opinion that my loved one has been deceived by this group from day one, and though some are innocents because they also don't know they are deceived, I fully believe some may know of the harm they do to their recruits and their family relationships. I know that my loved ones wife told the pastor personally that her husband's constant time at church was destroying their marriage. She pleaded with the pastor to let them have Sundays at least together. Afterwards, their demands on his time were even worse. Is it possible the pastor either has no control over his people or doesn't care what pain the constant demands caused my loved one's wife and marriage. Either way, in my opinion it doesn't look good for the pastor of this church.
Also, I totally disagree that members are not pressured to tithe after they are committed. My loved one had tithing explained by three main people in the church, and he agreed without consulting his wife. The amount was shocking, and was only the beginning of the demands on his finances. He was actually told what amount he needed to give for his "spiritual growth." It appeared to be way more than 10% Do you see at all how excessive demands on time and money without compromise might harm a marriage relationship? This is only one story, one scenario. There is so much more.
This is what confuses me here. There are different situations happening in different zions. My brother is a member for like almost one year now and I don't see any signs of him changing for the worst. Yes, he has different beliefs now but his zion is not really demanding too much of his time, and he really still believes that he is not required to pay the tithe but he does out of willingness. I saw the money he gives sometimes and it's not a significant amount but I don't know in other instances. He even said one time that "We are not like the INC/COC religion, wherein they demand their members to pay up if they had their salary and don't give tithes." So I guess maybe this is because different zions are run by different groups of "leaders" and it all really depends on the personality of these so-called leaders. Or maybe they are evaluating the attitude of members and they choose the more fanatic ones to demand money from but I really am not sure. So I am sorry for the experience of others and I would just like to offer my prayers and hope that someday the wmscog's reign will end and the victim will find peace and get back together with their loved ones.
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