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Reality distortion field sounds like something from.science fiction it’s actually the term used to describe the ability for people like steve jobs and bill clinton to have charisma and ability to convince others what they want them to believe.
does anyone think that this could be used by wmc?
If anyone knows about this.psychology how would we know as victims and how do you overcome the trickery
With you bringing this up I have started to look into this. So far the information that I have read would indicate that if you feel like there’s something wrong you should remove yourself from the environment or situation. Once you have done this you can research and evaluate what has been happening and in most cases there is manipulation happening. I’m going to keep looking into this but is there anything that I could help you with?
Good call!
That is pretty interesting, shimon.
I agree with Joshua. Removing yourself from the environment for a while should help to clear the head allow a person to think more rationally without the influence of the personality.
Hello Jousha, do you have any more information on this??? and how about you Simon have you removed yourself completely?
Ok so according to what Joshua looked up the first step is to:
remove yourself from the environment or situation (one check for you)
the next step is to:
research and evaluate what has been happening ( I'm guessing you have been doing this)
in conculsion, to what he has researched so far, he says: in most cases there is manipulation happening (have you notice the manipulation that was taking place or was there not any manipulation occuring)
I’m very manipulative as many people have said. I have come to terms with my gift. =) game recognize game. There’s a lot of that going on.
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Reality distortion fields, it sounds interesting. Maybe it is used by the wmscog. I noticed how they use a specific set of people in their preaching or bible study sessions. They pick the ones that stands in a crowd, those with strong personality. This way, many people would listen because the "charismatic" preachers catches their attention.
But I think they also used the "I'll prove your belief is wrong and this will prove mine is right" Approach. For example, the wmscog gave me evidences that the R.Catholics are idolaters which made me belief that I was wrong to follow them all this time, so then the wmscog tell me, "this is the right one to believe". If you're a person with simple minded thinking, you'd totally fall for it. I did, for a short while. Who wouldn't jump on another ship when his own ship is sinking, right?
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But I think they also used the "I'll prove your belief is wrong and this will prove mine is right" Approach. For example, the wmscog gave me evidences that the R.Catholics are idolaters which made me belief that I was wrong to follow them all this time, so then the wmscog tell me, "this is the right one to believe". If you're a person with simple minded thinking, you'd totally fall for it. I did, for a short while. Who wouldn't jump on another ship when his own ship is sinking, right?
I belive you've hit the nail on the head. My friend too was a RC and they have given her a guilt trip for being a RC for so many decades. The problem is that she, like many other RCs have a very limited knowledge both about scripture as well as about the teachings of the RC church itself. Such people are fair game for the wmscog who targets the RC church very vigorously in their teachings.
emil wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
But I think they also used the "I'll prove your belief is wrong and this will prove mine is right" Approach. For example, the wmscog gave me evidences that the R.Catholics are idolaters which made me belief that I was wrong to follow them all this time, so then the wmscog tell me, "this is the right one to believe". If you're a person with simple minded thinking, you'd totally fall for it. I did, for a short while. Who wouldn't jump on another ship when his own ship is sinking, right?
I belive you've hit the nail on the head. My friend too was a RC and they have given her a guilt trip for being a RC for so many decades. The problem is that she, like many other RCs have a very limited knowledge both about scripture as well as about the teachings of the RC church itself. Such people are fair game for the wmscog who targets the RC church very vigorously in their teachings.
The thing about targeting the RC church is that some of it is actually true. The RC church is not really following some of the scriptures correctly. So it can be very shocking to the followers of finding this out. But that does not mean that you just have to believe the ones that pointed their wrongs out.
This is the reason that I have started studying the Bible earnestly. This experience with the wmscog got me started in searching for the truth and if God's wills it, I'll know someday. So right now, I am not a RC, not a WMSCOG either, just a plain Christian.
^ I can't remember them all but as far as I can tell, most of the so-called errors in following scripture that this ex-Catholic, now wmscog friend pointed out were basically misinterpretations of individual verses.
I do not want to dilute the effect of this forum and start discussing about the RC church teaching. We could perhaps PM about that.
emil wrote:
^ I can't remember them all but as far as I can tell, most of the so-called errors in following scripture that this ex-Catholic, now wmscog friend pointed out were basically misinterpretations of individual verses.
I do not want to dilute the effect of this forum and start discussing about the RC church teaching. We could perhaps PM about that.
Speaking of pm, I accidentally pm you a message that I intended for someone else Emil. Sorry about that. LoL.
^ and I just PMed you about my last post here and later discovered your PM 🙂
Yes, to us that has heard of it, it would be considered boring. But for people that just heard of the idea that there exist a mother god, it is interesting. It got many people interested enough to listen. The lack of proper knowledge to the Bible really makes it more easier for them to deceive people. No one did a psychologic stuff with me.
Here's the traits of the zion that I attended that might defer from others: *This is just based from my observation, so I don't know if they are just making it up or what*
1. They encouraged questions, if there is something they can't answer, they try to explain later after consulting a higher-up but they answer it as best as they can.
2. Though they stressed the importance of it, they do not force a member to attend a worship. If there's a reason that you can't attend, they say it's okay. I didn't have time to find out if that changes later on.
3. They do not force people to give 10% of their money, my brother stated that we are not required to give money. It was a willing donation. Not sure if this is a lie, my brother seems to believe it.
4. They were willing to help a member with some kind of problem. I am not sure if it was monetary but they expressed concern. They even go to my house sometimes to bring food. Who am I to reject it? LOL.
5. Some members are really sincere. I can sense it, that's all I could say. They really do have good members too.
I sencond everything you described about the wmscog. They don’t require you to give 10%. They even keep track of your tithes and i have never been asked why i hadn’t started paying tithes or why i stopped or why i wasn’t giving the entire 10%. They actually say not to share how much you give in tithes, offering, and zion offering.
I always encouraged questions in my Bible studies. Even when someone says they don’t have any questions i try to make up some to get their mind rolling then they come up with questions later. If i didn’t have an answer, i text my missionary right away because i hate to end a Bible study with unanswered questions.
When you’re new, they don’t force services on you. But after you’ve been there awhile, they expect your faith to grow enough to keep more services. If you don’t, then they ask question.
I was often helped when i needed it. I was given a ride to and from zion when my car was broken down. My missionary even have a statement on my character to help me get out of an unfair legal situation.
Like I’ve been saying, the wmscog isn’t all bad. Ultimately we make our own decisions. Until you can prove that you were legally insane when you abandoned your family, gave all your money, etc. you’re the one who’s responsible for your actions no matter how great the influence.
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