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Hi folks, I have been getting overwhelmed with request recently to help people with their marriages. I have also been hit with the idea repeatedly that this website is for the haters of the WMSCOG. I hope to address, at least in part, these two things. I do understand some of the problem that a destructive mind control cult creates in relationships. Fortunately, having been through it myself, I am able to provide insight as to how groups like this works and a hopeful plan of action. As for marriages themselves I feel very unqualified having never had training in this area. I can speak to things that I have experienced and how things were delt with however, I have made many mistakes myself and would hardly hold myself out as an expert. Please accept me as I am and not as some kind of solution solver for relationships. As for this website being for haters of the WMSCOG, I will clearly speak. Hate the sin but love the sinner! We are here attacking the falsehoods of this cult! This pack of lies must be exposed at every turn. (When I first started posting in the forum there was only two pages. Now there are ten and it's growing.) The people that are caught in this group are not evil or bad but simply mislead. By taking the time to disect the sermons and teaching of the WMS we are shining the light of the truth into one of the darkest places in exhistance. This is love folks not hate! Why would we bother with this effort otherwise? If we truly believe that the members of the WMSCOG are doomed to spend eternity in hell and we hated anyone involved with this group then out of that hate we would feel that you got what you have coming. This is NOT what we do here! Many times the approach that some of the folks here (including myself) use is not perhaps the best but the intention is to bring people out of this bondage. I do HATE the sin but I don't hate the sinner. I think most people here would agree.
You have expressed my opinion and purpose for commenting on this site precisely as well. I love my relative who is in this group very dearly. I know some people who are in the wmscog that are really good people. They are just being misled and exploited by some in the group there who simply want to use them and their resources. I also feel there is a power and control component some of these people really get off on. Anyway, I want to help them, free them, from this bondage they are in by exposing what is happening there.
So more power to you Joshua, and all the rest who are doing the same.
This website is full of people who hate the wmscog. Just by reading the comments its obvious how much hate collectively this website oozes for the members. Accusing them of being korean group leaders, calling them dumb, insane, etc. Individually, we may have love and compassion for every member like jesus said but as a whole, it absolutely does not look that way. And in this world, what it looks like is reality.
Many people probably do hate the wmscog. I personally don't hate the people, but I hate the lies and deceptions of the church that has misled them. I don't judge those who really do have animosity for the wmscog because the church has hurt them and their families so badly, and the church seems to have no empathy for that at all. I'm not going to tell them how to feel. If the wmscog doesn't want people to feel animosity towards them, they have to stop breaking families apart and making such high demands on their members.
But that’s the thing, they aren’t breaking families apart. The members aren’t taking responsibility for their actions. The wmscog didn’t go into the members bank accounts and take their money. Ultimately, the members gave them their money. The wmscog didn’t kidnap the members and lock them in zion. The members went their willingly and continue to go. Unless you can prove that these members were legally insane, hypnotized, or whatever, the wmscog isn’t to blame for the results of the members actions.
And what kind of jesus do these “christians” follow if they have hate for anyone? The scripture said hate what is evil. Not to hate those who are evil. It says to love even your enemy. And if conjuring up words of distaste for the member of the wmscog is showing love then why don’t they speak that way toward their jesus?
When people say the wmscog is evil they called me evil too. They called simon evil and many other victims evil. That is a personal attack and they have every reason to feel like the devil is against them when you, in general, do that. It only looks like prophecy fulfillment to them. If the wmscog’s fake love and fake kindness got them the members they have, then we ought to show true love and true kindness to get them back.
I completely with Joshua!
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my personal experience I bear no grudge against them I only want people freed
in fact I wouldn’t even begrudge an improbable and maybe impossible repentance from.zgj and kjc
whatever we do pray for we have to pay earnestly not giving in to the spiritual attacks and if we pray for salvation of our enemies what could please God more?
yes you used it with me lol
pity I can’t drive (:
very cool and we sure have but the important part of getting through them
Renita, I hate the sin not the sinner, same as Joshua. But I don't have enough imagination to make up all the harm the the wmscog does. It exists and is the sole reason for this website. Wish it wasn't so, but it just is. I don't blame the deceived wmscog member, I blame the deceiver. Otherwise it would be like blaming the victim for the crime, wouldn't it?
As far as a member giving excessive time and money to the church just because they want to, it really isn't that simple, airy, and light. If a member really is deceived and believes what they tell him, they believe they have to do this or they lose their salvation. My relative said directly he "had to" and had "no choice."
Coercive mind control is a technique, and this group uses it very well. Giving freely and giving out of fear and/or guilt are two very differerent things. I personally have suffered as a result of my loved one's association with the church, but I do pray for their members. I feel bad for everyone in that group.
Joshua, when I say with love I mean your actions and intentions must come from a kind place. Not only should it come from a kind place but other people should be able to recognize it. If I were to tell my daught, “what are you, stupid? Do you want to get hit by a car? Stay out the street!” Obviously I’m looking out for her safety because I love her. But she doesn’t feel the love when I say it that way. “Don’t go in the street, baby. I don’t want you to get hurt.” The first statement might make her feel like an idiot though she’s not while the second will focus her attention how much I want her safe.
Using words of insult do not express love.
sometimes tough love is needed. it doesn't work quite as well online though lol
Describe tough love? And you’re right, that will hardly ever work, if ever, i online.
Btw, i don’t gently tell my daughter to stay out the street. I use a very stern voice but i don’t call her something she’s not and i certainly don’t say things that will make her question her intellect.
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