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Emil this is for you…
I just wanted to begin this thread to start the discussion on the WMSCOG's teaching that the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is the beast spoken of in Daniel chapters 2 & 7 and Revelation chapters 13 & 17. It startes off:
Daniel 7:25
25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
Smurf wrote:
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
They rape little boys.
And they worship Lucifer. Sometimes openly. But the WMS rapes minds. Which is worse.
I hope you understand that the RCC being evil is no proof the WMS is good, it doesn't work that way ๐
And what do you base such a statement on? The whole Catechism of the Catholic Church is out there in the public domain for anyone to see. Yet there is so much ignorance passing around as proven facts.
emil wrote:
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
emil wrote:
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
Doesn't change the fact they are an evil organization.
How is that a fact? It is an assumption. Show me how it is fact.
They rape little boys.
Oh is that so? The RCC does that? Some individual priests gone bad does not make the RCC evil. There have been bad priests and even bishops. In the past there have even been bad popes. But that does not make the church evil. What makes a church evil is evil teachings and doctrines.
The evil individuals in the RCC are not exclusive to the RCC. They are a reflection of how evil society as a whole has become. Such individuals are everywhere, in every church, in every non-church.
They sold indulgences too.
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
They sold indulgences too.
So? Yes it did happen in the past. Nobody said the RCC did not or does not have sinners. There have been people who did wrong. The pope himself admits he is a sinner. He has a confessor as a matter of fact. As the bible says, everybody is a sinner. By that standard, every church is evil. But that is not true is it?
It is time you focussed your comments on trying to show how the RCC is the beast of Daniel. Are these red herrings an indication of your utter failure to do so?
The Roman Catholic Church rapes little boys, they sold indulgences to build their churches, they murdered thounsands upon thousands of poeple in inquistions, witch hunts and etc. And as Smurf said, they openly worship Lucifer!!!
It's not a church, it's a cult, they brainwash people and use the bible as their weapon. = Roman Catholic Church
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church rapes little boys, they sold indulgences to build their churches, they murdered thounsands upon thousands of poeple in inquistions, witch hunts and etc. And as Smurf said, they openly worship Lucifer!!!
It's not a church, it's a cult, they brainwash people and use the bible as their weapon. = Roman Catholic Church
I already answered you on the first and second charges. The third charge is based on gross exaggerations and not historically accurate. Your guys even put the figure at 50 million elsewhere. These charges of inquisitions being used to kill so many were first used as a political tool by the British and Dutch colonists to undermine the Spanish colonists. While the inqusitions were a fact, the horrors of the numbers and manner of deaths have been embelished starting with political reasons in earlier centuries and now by people like the wmscog. You need to study credible historians.
Finally, what is your basis for the charge about worshiping Lucifer? Is it because Smurf said it? If we use that reason, there are many things Smurf has said about your church. Do you accept it all?
Architecture, for one, is a big giveaway. Idol-worshipping is undeniable as well. Absolution – don't even get me started.
And then there's that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNdxBWHcyI skip to 2:15
Can't watch the video now. So I'm going by your text. You'll have to be more specific about the worship of Lucifer. What you have said hardly supports your accusation.
emil wrote:
I already answered you on the first and second charges. The third charge is based on gross exaggerations and not historically accurate. Your guys even put the figure at 50 million elsewhere. These charges of inquisitions being used to kill so many were first used as a political tool by the British and Dutch colonists to undermine the Spanish colonists. While the inqusitions were a fact, the horrors of the numbers and manner of deaths have been embelished starting with political reasons in earlier centuries and now by people like the wmscog. You need to study credible historians.
Finally, what is your basis for the charge about worshiping Lucifer? Is it because Smurf said it? If we use that reason, there are many things Smurf has said about your church. Do you accept it all?
you did not answer them. you tried to sweep them under the rug. Lets take a look at what you said about what make an evil church…
emil wrote:
Oh is that so? The RCC does that? Some individual priests gone bad does not make the RCC evil. There have been bad priests and even bishops. In the past there have even been bad popes. But that does not make the church evil. What makes a church evil is evil teachings and doctrines.
The evil individuals in the RCC are not exclusive to the RCC. They are a reflection of how evil society as a whole has become. Such individuals are everywhere, in every church, in every non-church.
Its was doctrine and teaching of the RCC to sell indulgences (evil) It was doctrine and teaching to murder people in the name of "god" (evil) This alone is enough teaching and doctine to show the Catholic Church is evil. It is still doctrine and teaching of the Catholic church to worship idols (evil) There is so much idol worship in the Catholic church. Catholics bow to crosses paintings and statues. Evil..
Finally, what is your basis for the charge about worshiping Lucifer? Is it because Smurf said it? If we use that reason, there are many things Smurf has said about your church. Do you accept it all?
Very nice! But no, but i like that logic. Since i believe the Catholic Church is evil, the god they worship must be the evil one, Lucifer.
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
emil wrote:
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
Doesn't change the fact they are an evil organization.
How is that a fact? It is an assumption. Show me how it is fact.
They rape little boys.
And the RCC got away with it for many years because they also subscribed to Mother's teaching #9.
No complaining + make sure we only praise + cover up faults = petri dish awaiting corruption and abuse.
Good point Questioning. People need to speak out wherever and whenever they see corruption or evil occuring. No covering up no matter what religion. And the wmscog should allow people their rights where their organization is concerned as well.
Disturbed wrote:
@Atlas Shrugged…I didn't agree or disagree. What I said was 'How is the WMSCOG different?' So if you took that to mean I agree that means you agree that the WMSCOG is evil.
Lets examine what you said again…
Disturbed wrote:
And the WMSCOG is different how? They have tried to cover up their true lineage by doctoring up Wikipedia, they have changed the names & titles in Ahn's books so they can reprint and publish them through Melchizedek Publishing (books that they do not own the rights to), they have distorted the teachings of Ahn by worshipping mother god.
WMSCOG is not different nor better than the Roman Catholic Church.
You have made it clear YOU THINK wmscog = evil
YOU THINK wmscog not different (=) RCC
thus YOU THINK RCC IS EVIL.
On the other hand i do not think the wmscog is evil. nor do I do not think the wms = rcc.
How is my logic?
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
You have made it clear YOU THINK wmscog = evil
YOU THINK wmscog not different (=) RCC
thus YOU THINK RCC IS EVIL.
On the other hand i do not think the wmscog is evil. nor do I do not think the wms = rcc.
How is my logic?
Your logic is off. It is not about being evil. Consider the system that I presented in my previous post:
They rape little boys.
And the RCC got away with it for many years because they also subscribed to Mother's teaching #9.
No complaining + make sure we only praise + cover up faults = petri dish awaiting corruption and abuse.
It is about similar systems and the potential for abuse. Very rarely do humans consider their situational awareness, which is why it is so easy to manipulate them. Start taking a look around and thoroughly questioning your environment. God authorizes us to ask, "why" and to examine, as exemplified by Jesus allowing Thomas to examine His wounds thoroughly.
I knew i wasn't the only one who thought the popes always look so freaking evil.
And look at these evil pictures of the pope have a good laugh http://www.buzzfeed.com/eixo/12-evilest-pope-pictures-e9k
So disturbed, do u think the wms is evil? ( I will admit I just assumed from reading all your other comments you thought so. But please feel free to correct me now.
Atlas Shrugged wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church rapes little boys, they sold indulgences to build their churches, they murdered thounsands upon thousands of poeple in inquistions, witch hunts and etc. And as Smurf said, they openly worship Lucifer!!!
It's not a church, it's a cult, they brainwash people and use the bible as their weapon. = Roman Catholic Church
It's not a church, it's a cult, they brainwash people and use the bible as their weapon. = Roman catholic church
Hmmmm, It sounds like the words written by high priest Harry but you changed them just a little bit to suit your own purpose and lead the unsuspecting to believe they were the original……How appropiate
RCC doesn’t fit the beast as much as Wmscog fits the beast.
@disturbed. I did not add to what u said. It is abundantly clear from your other posts that you think the WMS is evil. If thats not true, then please correct me ๐ I think it shameful that you lied and said I added something not there. Pleas correct me if you now think the wms is not evil.
But since u and I & everyone know that you think the wms is evil, and you also this there is no difference between wms and rcc, you must also think the rcc is evil.
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