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This question is not to offend anyone, and please if you answer, try to do so without being biased. First, I’d like to commend all who sincerely are trying to expose false doctrine to the best of their God given ability, knowing that one day God will reward them for the many brothers and sister that end up not being left behind ( and I don’t mean as in the “Left Behind” movie).
Secondly, we have been going on these debates with various points to prove what is and what isn’t; So, if 50% truth , assuming is mixed with 50% deceit, should the truth overshadow the deceit? In other words, should the 50% truth throw away the 50% deceit? Will God say, “we’ll done my good and faithful servant for teaching half truth and half deceit?” Or, will God say, “I am all truth and no deception exists in me?” If you believe it is ok to preach or teach both ,wether inadvertently or not, then by that, we can assume it is ok to continue with these organizations, right? If you disagree, then why? Why not let our loved ones continue to receive the 50% deceit? After all, they are getting 50% truth? (If your focus is on whether they are false or not, satanic or not, God or not, then you have missed the question entirely). It is on 50% truth and 50% deceit from a biblical stand point.
Satan can show someone the beauties of life and even offer to give it to you, but doubts and question come to mind. why doubt? why not take it? There obviously is a reason one won’t, regardless of who does. Jesus or God, if you please, can also show someone the beauties of life and even offer to give it to him and most may take it without a blink. Why? Why not take from Satan also, after all they are both offering the same. Or are they not?
Saul/Paul persecuted Christians out of ignorance, but the Bible tells us he sold out to the gospel of Jesus Christ when he became saved (paraphrase). Why wouldn’t he continue killing (“killing” spiritually and physically)and spreading the gospel?
Please educate or enlighten me on these question as I am willing to learn.
No one does, feels, or thinks about anything unless God allowed that person to.
So, that's why Paul didn't continue doing those bad things, etc.
God doesn't deal in deceit in any form whatsoever, ever.
I think God has a part in any deceit. But there is a definite difference between anyone doing something and allowing something to happen. I think the person who allowed something to happen should hold the same responsibilty as the person who actually did it.
Sarah2013 wrote:
God cannot support evil. It is not in his nature. At some point, though he is God, we still have that choice to make as he will not force us. Adam and Eve still had to choose to sin or not sin. God knowing they will sin, still doesn't push them to sin. They did that on their own free will. If God controlled our will then we are mere Zombies.
Which leads into something we definitely disagree on which is the meaning of free will and if we have it. But God is the Creator of everything. Nothing exist without God placing it there. God has shown in Ex that He can harden someone's heart which will make that person do one thing. Or He can soften someone's heart to make that person do other things. I personally believe the good exists not because God is good but because God created it. Evil exists not because God is evil or because good exists but because God created it. Satan didn't sprout up from his own will. God made him and made him that way. There's a verse about questioning the potter in the NT I think. Though God didn't tempt Eve, God created Satan that way and allowed him to tempt Eve. If God is capable of doing absolutely anything, then He is capable of creating an atmosphere where evil, hate, deceit, etc. doesn't exist. It might not make sense to have a world without bad things but God can do it. If anyone were to say God cannot do it, that's placing limitations on God. God can lie but God won't. God can break a promise but God won't. God can create a world without evil and it's called heaven.. after Satan is put away.
This is my opinion from what I've read about the characteristics of God.
Sarah, in my opinion NO ONE in this world has the 100% truth or follows it. Look at revelation 2 and 3 it's addressing the churches and what they are doing right and wrong.
Sarah2013 wrote:
So if 50% truth , assuming is mixed with 50% deceit, should the truth overshadow the deceit? In other words, should the 50% truth throw away the 50% deceit? Will God say, "we'll done my good and faithful servant for teaching half truth and half deceit?" Or, will God say, "I am all truth and no deception exists in me?" If you believe it is ok to preach or teach both ,wether inadvertently or not, then by that, we can assume it is ok to continue with whatever lifestyle. As Aleister Crowley (the satanist, says) "Do what thou wilt.", If you disagree, then why? Why not let our loved ones continue to receive the 50% deceit? After all, they are getting 50% truth? (If your focus is on whether they are false or not, satanic or not, God or not, then you have missed the question entirely). It is on 50% truth and 50% deceit from a biblical stand point.
We already know God is aware of everything, but he still won't force our free will. At least in most cases. See the story of Jonah.
If it were up to me as a judge, I would say that the truth over rides the deceit because truth, in mine eyes, is good and good is always better. My daughter can write on the walls, poop her pants, and break the TV. But then one moment she may decide to pick up her toys. Even though from a nuetral stand point, the situation appears to be 75% not good and 25% good, to me because she is my daughter the 25% is enough for me to say well done my child you have picked up your toys. Here's a treat. I see truth as good and deceit as not good.
What do I think God will do? I think He will do the same thing because parents always have a soft spot for their children. There's a verse that says something about attempting to uphold God's laws. All you have to do is try. BUT! God does hold the power to say NOPE! You didn't do enough. Though He can, I don't think He will. As far as do as you will, go on ahead and do as you will. If you want to eat your vomit like me, feast! If you want to follow the bible your way, his way, her way, the dog's way.. have at it. Do what you want because in the end, it's still up to God.
Sarah2013 wrote:
So if 50% truth , assuming is mixed with 50% deceit, should the truth overshadow the deceit? In other words, should the 50% truth throw away the 50% deceit? Will God say, "we'll done my good and faithful servant for teaching half truth and half deceit?" Or, will God say, "I am all truth and no deception exists in me?" If you believe it is ok to preach or teach both ,wether inadvertently or not, then by that, we can assume it is ok to continue with whatever lifestyle. As Aleister Crowley (the satanist, says) "Do what thou wilt.", If you disagree, then why? Why not let our loved ones continue to receive the 50% deceit? After all, they are getting 50% truth? (If your focus is on whether they are false or not, satanic or not, God or not, then you have missed the question entirely). It is on 50% truth and 50% deceit from a biblical stand point.
We already know God is aware of everything, but he still won't force our free will. At least in most cases. See the story of Jonah.
If it were up to me as a judge, I would say that the truth over rides the deceit because truth, in mine eyes, is good and good is always better. My daughter can write on the walls, poop her pants, and break the TV. But then one moment she may decide to pick up her toys. Even though from a nuetral stand point, the situation appears to be 75% not good and 25% good, to me because she is my daughter the 25% is enough for me to say well done my child you have picked up your toys. Here's a treat. I see truth as good and deceit as not good.
What do I think God will do? I think He will do the same thing because parents always have a soft spot for their children. There's a verse that says something about attempting to uphold God's laws. All you have to do is try. BUT! God does hold the power to say NOPE! You didn't do enough. Though He can, I don't think He will. As far as do as you will, go on ahead and do as you will. If you want to eat your vomit like me, feast! If you want to follow the bible your way, his way, her way, the dog's way.. have at it. Do what you want because in the end, it's still up to God.
@sarah2013 I agree, the Lord is slow to anger, but time is running out. That's why in the bible we see two sides to GOD. One side is Good the other side seems violent, but it's not, because he tells us to seek him while he can still be found or pay the consequences. That's why he will come with fire.
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