[UntouchableJ]

So I wanted to Start this, after a powerful comversation with my wife, who holds a PhD. Straight to the point, WMS’ powerful wording amd influence, forces a person into what is called, “Cognitive Dissonance”. Here is a definition of it;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Basically, through suggestive influence, it forces a person into undo mental stress and influence, evem though it conflicts with them morally, personally and within their own values. It also touches on our HUMAN strivimg to have internal consistency. This explains why a person would choose the church over family

Example; Jody has a great relationship with her twin brother. When Jody attempted to preach to her brother, he declined. Since. Wms instilled detrimental ideals about family who refuse the doctrine, Jody now associates her brother with those ideals (Apostate, Trouble Maker etc).

So Jody when facing this, “Internal Inconsistency” psychologically (as with ALL of us) will try to find or even make balance. That is why members in WMS leave Schools, Family and careers behind. They will even stay when the doctrine becomed inconsistent. Coupled with the leaders denying failed prophecies, and ostracizing members who don’t produce, the literally master forcing people into it.

Like the story of the fox who saw grapes hanging from a tree. The fox no matter how hard he tried couldnt reach the grapes. So after a while, he leaves them, but also tells himself, “They were probably rotten and sour anyway”.

Also the greater the Magnitude of the factors, the greater the dissonance. The WMS literally indoctrinates members to put necessities vs Spirituality;

Family vs Spirituality(Pleasing God, Heaven)

Personal Goals vs Spirituality

[Mayor and Mike]

[Mayor and Mike]

Last I checked, churches don't sue people, their own members, or ex members. Church is supposed to be a place of prayer, healing, rest, and shelter. Church is supposed to be a safe place. 

Is the WMSCOG the only church that sues people?

[JohnFoutraged]

Wow simply amazing stuff here (darn it! I still have “amazing” stuck in my head)…. Anywho – I knew it was time to leave when I had a pretty good job with a graduate degree but stl living in poverty… Hmm was it student loans? Nope! I had scholarships and I make good money to pay off my loans. Well then what could it be?

Total amount I used to spend a month supporting this church was $1,450 a month on average. Multiply that by 12 and we get $17,400 a year. I live in poverty because of this church. Even the clothing I would wear for the church were discounted suits…. “Ohhhh you sacrifice so much bredder!! Truly God loves you! You are soooo blessed”

Mmmmmhhhhmmmm so blessed right? How come I have to work hard, study, hard my whole life while everyone else sucks off the fruits of my labor. This church took advantage of my kindness and it was a huge amount of time wasted. Hours upon hours of walking around a mall only to have people yell at you about the Bible or have security escort you off the premise. “But bredder this is Father’s will – look how jesus lived 2000 years ago!” Riiiiiight then why am I condemed if I wanted to advance myself above the poverty line?

[UntouchableJ]

Great comments guys!! @John For me, it wasnt One big realization, but many over time…mini red flags. I remember one early on though that stayed with me. When we first joined, our original Overseer was big on, “no hanging oit”. I thought it made sense somewhat, and was more geared toward teenage memebers or something. I remember when we were invitied to the birthday party of another couples 3year old, and they were members. My spouse had inadvertently mentioned that we would be attending, to her group leader. The groupleader instructed her to “ask” the Overseer. I was taken back. Again, we were a married couple, over 30, responsible, who wanted to take their 5 and 2 year olds to party for thr child of fellow members? I realized then that you had to ask permission. Would the early church do that? No. Just as JohnFoutaged said, they take kindness for weakness. They dont remotely imitate the early Christians who showed love, kindness and Gods true intent.

@John Now you calculated, giving. Im sure you left out, Gas, buying books and tapes etc. My wife ran her car into the ground our first 3 yeqrs in. If I could sue them for damages, my family would have a decent little chunk of change. My kids could have stayed in Karate, had a good bit put away back towards their college funds etc. A genlteman the other day responded to a comment I made on the People magazine article. I think they are now encouraging getting grad. Level degrees, because he claimed that in his 5years, he got his Masters degree and knows many others who did thr same (I doubt it.). I didnt go through my usual banter. I calmly told him, “what About the many people I know who came to some conclussion that it was neccessary to STOP higher education, and, nobody told them NOT to drop out.” When Ron Ramos did his video and said, “Its not what they say, its what they dont say”, I remember members saying, “what does that even mean…he so lost. He turned his back on salvation”. But Ron was right. They show their nature by action; Narcissistic leaders, Claiming Zhang said, Etc., Forced financial manipulation etc. We had a Deacon early on, that became our Overseer. He was great, and honestly, it felt like he wanted to run the church with common sense. To paint a better picture, he would make a great Pastor if he was in another church. Anyway, our first year after refund tax season, the Mrs. And I cut a pretty big check. The Deacon actually asked me, “I just wanted to make sure the amount was correct, and you guys were ok.” Of course though, he was relocated about a year and a half later, probably because he didnt rule with a rod of Iron.

[Selena]

@Untouchable sounds like my old elder. He was the same. Seemed to be too close to the members and actually care about them. For an organization thats suppose to foster love, they didnt like when overseers were too loving. Was he Hispanic?

[UntouchableJ]

@Selena, yes he was. Somehow, I think we had the same Overseer.

[Anonymous]

Did he go by the name of Daniel?  Diane Sims spoke of a Korean dude in LA that was fairly popular and then got moved out to Colorado.  Her family followed him there.  I think he's still there.

[setufree]

Sounds familiar, not daniel but the hispanic one, I'm pretty sure that's who others mentioned to me about being a good guy. 

In the church I was a part of , our leaders were not so nice.  Koreans never talked and the Americans there were awful.  One would talk to his wife as if she was a slave.  Luckily for me there was one deaconess who actually seemed normal and as caring as one could get (without getting too close).  I felt bad for her as the overseer would talk down to her as well, pretty sure she was in some sort of arranged thing with a Korean.  After I left there were only maybe one or two people I acutally would have liked to meet in other circumstances outside the church.  The rest were so invested with that group that you couldn't even hold a real conversation with.

I've noticed that was a pattern though, you could get close to a leader, but the minute you got too close, they would seperate from you and almost shun/ignore you.  Personally I think that the overseer at ours just wanted everyone to like him, and if you showed attention towards another leader he'd stop it right away.

 

[UntouchableJ]

In our case, they quickly moved the Overseer to another church. We then got our mean, Korean overseer.

[UntouchableJ]

Again, I think the Overseers are taught the tactics;

Rudeness

Public rebuke

Divide and Conquer

“Mother Said”

Guilt tripping

Planting Spys

I really think they are taught this at Go & Come Institute. I was also reminded that my ex-Overseer kept a Psychology book in his Office.

[Anonymous]

What Psych book was it?  Mein Kampf?

[UntouchableJ]

@Hein Lol. It was a General psych book. But I still believe that they are taught their tactics at Go & Come.

[Azula]

And then?

Has almighty mama z has sent her minions to do her dirty work, yet again, instead of using her almighty shaman powers to get rid of us the apostates and our barely noticeable website?

[Anonymous]

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