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Unless I have not came across it yet; I wanted to point out that evidence has surfaced that our US pastors are multi-millionares. For some coincidental reason, they seem to have businesses ranging from Big Shines to tow campanies. In fact, I ran Dun & Bradstreet reports on their business' and their annual revenue ranges from $1.5 to close to $10 million per Big Shine. Each pastor is listed as the CEO and these businesses are all located next to their perspective "Zion". In addition to this, Jerusalem Temple in Korea must make around $50 billion per year in tithing since all 500 or so churches send their tithings there. I am curious why and what "God" is using these funds for? I mean, the local churches don't even provide food, coffee, creamer, sugar, school supplies, contruction parts, enhancement, etc. for themselves for Sabbath to function; instead members (some with very little money) provide all this. Just a few thoughts…….
They do provide food coffee and all sorts of things. Can you show evidence for your claims?
They do provide food coffee and all sorts of things. Can you show evidence for your claims?
Same where I was. There were vending machines for drinks and the members were split up into teams. The teams would be assigned a week when they would be responsible for buying and cooking the food for the sabbath. And don't dare try to leave in between services on a sabbath to eat somewhere else. You will be told that you are ungrateful and that it would be like telling your mother that you don't want to eat the food she has cooked for you. I felt like a prisoner for about 16 hours. I mean they even expected you to hang out and study after the last service on the sabbath which would end around 10pm. It was just too much.
Same where I was. There were vending machines for drinks and the members were split up into teams. The teams would be assigned a week when they would be responsible for buying and cooking the food for the sabbath. And don't dare try to leave in between services on a sabbath to eat somewhere else. You will be told that you are ungrateful and that it would be like telling your mother that you don't want to eat the food she has cooked for you. I felt like a prisoner for about 16 hours. I mean they even expected you to hang out and study after the last service on the sabbath which would end around 10pm. It was just too much.
it was the same at the church we were at. Is this why they can have expensive attorneys to sue people?
it was the same at the church we were at. Is this why they can have expensive attorneys to sue people?
shimon wrote:
They do provide food coffee and all sorts of things. Can you show evidence for your claims?
i hear that the members pay for the food in the churches. is this not the case in your church shimon?
shimon wrote:
They do provide food coffee and all sorts of things. Can you show evidence for your claims?
i hear that the members pay for the food in the churches. is this not the case in your church shimon?
not at all
not at all
house church probably 50 adults and 15 children
house church probably 50 adults and 15 children
shimon wrote:
house church probably 50 adults and 15 children
from what i hear, the food situation can be much different in the house churches. a former member told me that in the larger churches the members payed for most of the food.
shimon wrote:
house church probably 50 adults and 15 children
from what i hear, the food situation can be much different in the house churches. a former member told me that in the larger churches the members payed for most of the food.
Mariposa wrote:
Also, if you just did an estimated calculation of the revenue the cog pulls in….it's insane! I think it's safe to assume that most members tithed since we were told without tithing we cannot go to Heaven. Let's do the math (I made a typo on my first post on the churches revenue). This obviously is not conclusive as the documents are private; however one sister was sent a tithing report by mistake via email from a deacon (it was attached, he was trying to send her a different document).
So let's have some fun:
Just our Zion has 500 members, let's say everyone tithes $100 per month (which I tithed much higher than this). That's $50,000 per month. And I am seriously low balling here. This would be $1,200 per year and I know some members who tithed $15,000-$30,000 per year. So you can say this is a safe number to base our average on even when other churches are much smaller. Remember, this is for fun and an average not a perfect science……times that by 500 churches…….that would be $25 million a year. Considering that many members also tithed on cash awards from home sales, lotto, one guy inherited millions and tithed off of that! Just in 4 years that is $100 million. Now remember, they do not have any overhead since the offerings sustain the mortgage and/or rent and utilities. One deaconess actually lived in a little room at our church and worked overtime for the church and still had to have an additional job to pay her tithes and offerings.
Meanwhile, our pastors are millionares and our Mother is perhaps a billionaire!
You are not accounting for those who tithe less when you say you are low balling. I know I average less in Tithe seeing as I rarely make 1,000 a month and others also do not make that much. You cannot know what everyone is tithint throughout the world. But let us presume every pastor is a millionare why do they live in the churches what do they do with their money. Being a millionare and having it sit around is just silly.
In my Zion because it is a house church Green is tithe goes to whatever tithes goes to. Brown is thank offering and Zion offering going to making new zions. and blue is to the Zion we are branched from. When we branch off the blue envelope would go to our Zion excusively. Pastor in Denver splits the money from the blue envelope between Denver the and branches and that money goes to Food, Bills, and Rent
IF Tithe went to Pastors and Mother why would they choose such awful living arrangements from a millionare POV why would they drive old second /third rate vehicles, why do they subject themselves to so much time with us lowly peons.
Mariposa wrote:
Also, if you just did an estimated calculation of the revenue the cog pulls in….it's insane! I think it's safe to assume that most members tithed since we were told without tithing we cannot go to Heaven. Let's do the math (I made a typo on my first post on the churches revenue). This obviously is not conclusive as the documents are private; however one sister was sent a tithing report by mistake via email from a deacon (it was attached, he was trying to send her a different document).
So let's have some fun:
Just our Zion has 500 members, let's say everyone tithes $100 per month (which I tithed much higher than this). That's $50,000 per month. And I am seriously low balling here. This would be $1,200 per year and I know some members who tithed $15,000-$30,000 per year. So you can say this is a safe number to base our average on even when other churches are much smaller. Remember, this is for fun and an average not a perfect science……times that by 500 churches…….that would be $25 million a year. Considering that many members also tithed on cash awards from home sales, lotto, one guy inherited millions and tithed off of that! Just in 4 years that is $100 million. Now remember, they do not have any overhead since the offerings sustain the mortgage and/or rent and utilities. One deaconess actually lived in a little room at our church and worked overtime for the church and still had to have an additional job to pay her tithes and offerings.
Meanwhile, our pastors are millionares and our Mother is perhaps a billionaire!
You are not accounting for those who tithe less when you say you are low balling. I know I average less in Tithe seeing as I rarely make 1,000 a month and others also do not make that much. You cannot know what everyone is tithint throughout the world. But let us presume every pastor is a millionare why do they live in the churches what do they do with their money. Being a millionare and having it sit around is just silly.
In my Zion because it is a house church Green is tithe goes to whatever tithes goes to. Brown is thank offering and Zion offering going to making new zions. and blue is to the Zion we are branched from. When we branch off the blue envelope would go to our Zion excusively. Pastor in Denver splits the money from the blue envelope between Denver the and branches and that money goes to Food, Bills, and Rent
IF Tithe went to Pastors and Mother why would they choose such awful living arrangements from a millionare POV why would they drive old second /third rate vehicles, why do they subject themselves to so much time with us lowly peons.
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