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Last night my friend gave me the lesson on the Passover, on how Jesus kept it (the last supper) It is quite clear that Jesus said to do this in remeberance of him, however after the lesson I was reviewing it on my own & I notice that he did not read the verses right after the passover scence which Jesus said the following in Matthew, Mark, and Luke (see below) so now I'm wondering what this really means???
Matthew 26:26
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Luke 22:14
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
Mark 14:23
23 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.
24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. 25 “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Jesus clearly says he will not drink again or eat it again until it's new in the kingdom of God from now on until that day until it finds fullfillment.?????
I agree with the whole elohim issue. It didn’t make sense how sometimes there’s one god and sometimes there are two. Because I believe a. Paul said we worship ONE god but adding mother makes two. If she were always in existence either a. Paul is a false prophet or mother is a false god. They want both so they came up with the egg example.
According to the chronological order of scripture jesus said take and drink this is my blood before he shed his blood. Which is why it makes sense to me that he gave his blood on the PO for forgiveness but shed blood on the cross to fulfill prophecy.
I’ve seen the video. But i was always told the way of the egg. The church is inconsistent.
We don’t ask because we are discouraged from asking. Plus, I preached with such confidence and in a tone that made people question their questions. I didn’t accept the egg theory. I told people there were 2 gods but was stumped when people pointed out the verse where it says we worship ONE god. I didn’t know what to say. So I stop preaching.
They say, do you have any questions? But what they mean is, you better not ask any questions. Lol
Where are Jews commanded to take anything to the temple for Passover?
isn't that after Passover? (the day after the Sabbath)
But in the new testament, the body is the temple and he was sacrificed on the cross.
So, actually jesus did keep the PO
Simon wrote:
Genny it really isn't different from the Trinity at all IF Elohim alludes to the Trinity you have the same issue, Elohim is plural or singular both sides are trying to use it the same way.
Yes, I think the wms is trying to use it the same way as Christianity does because they (the wms) have to cover up their inconsistencies with one vs. two gods. The difference is that Christianity will NEVER say that we have plural Gods. We will say that Elohim, when used for God always means only one God. The Trinity has always been only one God.
WMS on the other hand insists that it means there are plural Gods, and they serving their "elohim gods." So I think they only use it the same way when they are confronted with the statements in the Bible that there is only one true God.
renita.payno wrote:
I agree with the whole elohim issue. It didn't make sense how sometimes there's one god and sometimes there are two. Because I believe a. Paul said we worship ONE god but adding mother makes two. If she were always in existence either a. Paul is a false prophet or mother is a false god. They want both so they came up with the egg example.
According to the chronological order of scripture jesus said take and drink this is my blood before he shed his blood. Which is why it makes sense to me that he gave his blood on the PO for forgiveness but shed blood on the cross to fulfill prophecy.
When Jesus said take and drink this is my blood, He was looking forward to the next day and symbolically using the wine to represent His blood. He only gave His blood once–on the cross. He made many symbollic statements, I am the door…, I am the bread of life…, I am the light of the world…, I am the vine…. He used metaphors often.
Does the wms teach that the wine on Passover becomes the literal blood of Jesus? Like transubstantiation or consubstantiation?
This is where people get confused. Spiritual, spiritual, spiritual. The COG emphasizes GREATLY that we need to think spiritually and not physically. Jesus gave his blood on the night of the PO spiritually. He bled physically the next day because he was in human form and humans bleed when stabbed. We are circumcised as men and women spiritually through baptism. Anyone, male or female, may be physically circumcised but it doesn’t matter because the NT is spiritual. So, when ever something is mentioned about the NT and doesn’t make sense physically, its more than likely because it was taught spiritually. This is how the COG makes “sense” of things that don’t make sense.
genny wrote:
Simon wrote:
Genny it really isn't different from the Trinity at all IF Elohim alludes to the Trinity you have the same issue, Elohim is plural or singular both sides are trying to use it the same way.
Yes, I think the wms is trying to use it the same way as Christianity does because they (the wms) have to cover up their inconsistencies with one vs. two gods. The difference is that Christianity will NEVER say that we have plural Gods. We will say that Elohim, when used for God always means only one God. The Trinity has always been only one God.
WMS on the other hand insists that it means there are plural Gods, and they serving their "elohim gods." So I think they only use it the same way when they are confronted with the statements in the Bible that there is only one true God.
I've seen some try and argue something along those lines. It is a bit weird to see anyone make the arguement.
renita.payno wrote:
I agree with the whole elohim issue. It didn't make sense how sometimes there's one god and sometimes there are two. Because I believe a. Paul said we worship ONE god but adding mother makes two. If she were always in existence either a. Paul is a false prophet or mother is a false god. They want both so they came up with the egg example.
According to the chronological order of scripture jesus said take and drink this is my blood before he shed his blood. Which is why it makes sense to me that he gave his blood on the PO for forgiveness but shed blood on the cross to fulfill prophecy.
When Jesus said take and drink this is my blood, He was looking forward to the next day and symbolically using the wine to represent His blood. He only gave His blood once–on the cross. He made many symbollic statements, I am the door…, I am the bread of life…, I am the light of the world…, I am the vine…. He used metaphors often.
Does the wms teach that the wine on Passover becomes the literal blood of Jesus? Like transubstantiation or consubstantiation?
Considering the prayer for Passover I would say something SIMILAR to transubsttiation is IMPLIED
I've heard many Rabbanim claim Marytrdom is acceptable.
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