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Last night my friend gave me the lesson on the Passover, on how Jesus kept it (the last supper) It is quite clear that Jesus said to do this in remeberance of him, however after the lesson I was reviewing it on my own & I notice that he did not read the verses right after the passover scence which Jesus said the following in Matthew, Mark, and Luke (see below) so now I'm wondering what this really means???
Matthew 26:26
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Luke 22:14
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
Mark 14:23
23 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.
24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. 25 “Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Jesus clearly says he will not drink again or eat it again until it's new in the kingdom of God from now on until that day until it finds fullfillment.?????
That’s a separate study. There are 2 studies from those verses. 1 speaks about the kingdom of god. Where is it? Is it in heaven? On earth? Everywhere? They have that study to clear up why some people believe this earth is the kingdom of god and others say its heaven. In that study, I learned that the kingdom of god is where ever god dwells. The 2nd study from those verses is about the fulfillment of them. Since god has come a 2nd time in flesh and the kingdom is where god dwells then he must celebrate the PO again in these last days. I will say that it never made sense to me. I keep asking different deaconesses the meaning of the kingdom of god and it just didn’t sit well with logic for me.
The answer is Mother…
Are we the kingdom of god? I was told in a sense yes because god dwells in us. But THE kingdom of god is where god dwells. More specifically where mother dwells. Which is why the main office is where ever she is. She’s like the queen bee.
Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of God the Father. Who sits at the right hand of God the Mother?
At that time, in the OT, god dwelled in heaven. A member would argue that at that time heaven is the kingdom of god. But now god dwells on earth. Plus, if heaven is the kingdom of god always, why would anyone keep PO in heaven? Those in heaven don’t need forgiveness of sin or eternal life.
Mother is Jerusalem. That’s why Simon said the answer is mother. Where mother is, that is the kingdom of God. And God is the father and the mother. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of both father and mother.
I can't see how this works at all. Ahn is supposed to be Jesus reborn. The WMS says he's father and Chang/Zahng is mother. How does Jesus sit next to himself? It's hard enough to get your head around a concept like the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) but how are they able to convince anyone that Jesus sits next to himself?
there’s a study about what it means to sit at the right hand of god. It is not a literal thing since god doesn’t have hands.. humans have hands and god (the father) is spirit. In the study, sitting at the right hand of god means to follow gods laws. Being that jesus is god, he can’t help but sit at the right hand of god because god doesn’t break gods laws. And father and mother are 1 god just separated as 2 entities in flesh.. at least that’s how I understand it……. I think. Lol
Well it depends if Jesus is directly on the right of Father with no one between then yes Jesus would be to Mother's left but if there is someone between then he could be to the right of both of them
I keep hitting this other problem. Several members, now ex-members, have told me that father and mother are one god. This completely goes against the WMS teaching of Elohim meaning more than one god. This is one of the key foundations for the WMS entire belief system. If Elohim is plural for god therefore meaning gods then how can this supposed father and mother be one? It still doesn't work does it?
Joshua do you really expect the WMSCOG to be consistent with itself?
but you gotta admit that the same problem arises with the trinity.
Father=God
Son=God
Holy Spirit=God
Father≠Son
Father≠Holy Spirit
Son≠Holy Spirit
Looks like tritheism outside.
Father and mother are 1 god but separate entities. As it was explained to me they are like a peeled, hard boiled eggs. Though it is one egg, there are 2 parts. The white (father) and the yolk (mother). As far as the trinity, we all represent some form of it. We cannot deny that we can all be called a friend, a child, and some other title but still be the same person. I play many roles as a mother, a friend, a daughter, student, etc. But I am still one person. God (male) plays 3 different roles as the father, the son, and the HS I still don’t understand the father/mother issue. One god but at the same time 2 gods……. but that’s how it was explained to me by different deaconesses and missionaries.
Christians will often say that Elohim alludes to the Trinity. It is plural in form but singular in use. The Trinity is one God, but three distinct persons. Not three Gods, but one. It is admittedly a difficult concept (and different than Modalism, which is what you described, Renita, and what the wmscog teaches), but the main point is that there is still only one God.
I remember being told by the wmscog that this view doesn't work because Elohim is "plural" and means "plural Gods." The Trinity is just one God, but there must be plural 'Gods.'
Therefore, "Father" and "Mother" are separate gods. If they are trying to make them out to be just one god, then they have a two-in-one god (like the Trinity, but two instead of three, binary). To describe them as one god but separate entities is similar to describing the Trinity. But then you are back to the original issue–still one god, and the wmscog says there must be plural 'gods.'
They can't have it both ways. Either 'father' and 'mother' are really two separate gods, or the Christian Trinity works for Elohim because it is the same basic concept as 'father and mother' being one god.
renita.payno wrote:
At that time, in the OT, god dwelled in heaven. A member would argue that at that time heaven is the kingdom of god. But now god dwells on earth. Plus, if heaven is the kingdom of god always, why would anyone keep PO in heaven? Those in heaven don't need forgiveness of sin or eternal life.
My friend in the WMSCOG insists that celebrating the PO is necessary for forgiveness of sins. She quotes Mt26:26-28 and the other Gospels to claim Jesus said it. But the actual verse 28 says: This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
My interpretation is that the forgiveness comes by the act of pouring out His blood, not my act of drinking it or celebrating the PO. In other words salvation was paid for when he shed His blood and not when a wmscog member celebrates the PO. Any comments from members/former members?
Genny it really isn't different from the Trinity at all IF Elohim alludes to the Trinity you have the same issue, Elohim is plural or singular both sides are trying to use it the same way.
Emil: The High Priest must pour the blood for the forgiveness of Sins Jesus is High Priest of the New Covenant the time HE poured out the blood was passover. That's part of the answer to that issue.
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