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So take it court Joshua, without proof, even testimony does not hold up. Don't compare yours or others word to that of the apostles and God, the bible is testimony from prophets moved by the holy spirit so don't even think their words are the same, as we can see with Dianes testimony PEOPLE lie. Go back and watch her "testimony" if even I can see the faults in it a lawyer would rip it apart throw it right back in her face.
48:40 Daine sounds pretty upset no one called her after she left "Not one person" Almost looks like she was really upset about it.
Diane even says the pastor called looking for her.After service hmm she was sick for four days. Guess who else Call her, the one we call Mother herself? hmm even to mock her, I wonder which is no one or some called.
So is this another one of those testimonies your talking about Joshua?
By your logic a person can claim you physically assaulted them and get a court to convict you with just their testimony, but with out the scratches and bruises there testimony is pointless, just same you need physical evidence.
fromtheotherside wrote:
First off devoting your life 100% to God doesn't mean you have to be a hermit in the church. I don't think you guys fully grasped what it is that is why you were unhappy.
FTOS, I actually agreed with everything that you said in your posts, except for the first two sentences. I quoted them above.
I was unhappy because I could not reach "perfection." At least not the level of perfection that wsmcog preached.
Also I am not making it up when I say that the Zion I went to told me that I couldn't do any activities such as golf. I agree that golf is a perfectly harmless activity, and nothing about it should be sinful in anyway. However, I was told that it was a sin. Basically they told me, "if I had time to golf, then I had time to go to a preaching meeting, or to do bible study or be at Zion." I had no free time. None, nada, zip, nothing. If Father came while I was playing golf- even if I was preaching while doing it- I would go to Hell.
The Zion you attend is a lot more laid-back than mine was.
FTOS, you don't understand. I AM standing up for God by not accepting the wmscog as a bona fide religion. I don't really know anyone on this forum who is a non-member of the wmscog that is not standing up for God. You see, I think the wmscog is the prison you speak of in your last post. And I know there is only one God because of the first commandment. I am standing up for Him.
I am also supporting my relative who in this prison by working for his "release."
So, how are you in a church for ten years already if you didn't start till 2005? I'm not a math major, but ………..
MountainMom wrote:
FTOS, you don't understand. I AM standing up for God by not accepting the wmscog as a bona fide religion. I don't really know anyone on this forum who is a non-member of the wmscog that is not standing up for God. You see, I think the wmscog is the prison you speak of in your last post. And I know there is only one God because of the first commandment. I am standing up for Him.
I am also supporting my relative who in this prison by working for his "release."
So, how are you in a church for ten years already if you didn't start till 2005? I'm not a math major, but ………..
I am a non-member and I do not stand up for God. =) I just express my opinions based on what I've learned in the past and what I've read on this site.
fromtheotherside wrote:
First off devoting your life 100% to God doesn't mean you have to be a hermit in the church. I don't think you guys fully grasped what it is that is why you were unhappy. When i went to play Golf with my Father in law who is an unbeliever, did I not bring up the fact Passover was coming, that is working for God, I spoke to the man in the front desk about salvation and Passover, that is working for God. Being devoted and 100% living for God is that you strive to do what ever it is you are doing, to do God's work. That means when you go to your worldy profesion you do your best and give it 100% so you shine God's Glory, if your boss says "wow what a great worker, hes different from others!" you just shined God's glory. Or if your a student you try to be number 1, so through you and your accomplishments you can give glory to God. That is Mother's teaching, to do your best at what ever you do so when people look at you, people will know that something is different about you, and when they find out it's because you are christian then that is God's glory shone. You are 100% devoting your life to God. Golf is not a devils' sport, it cleaner than playing pool around drunks and smokers.
secondly, we don't need the "acceptance" of our religion or belief from our families. So if your parents don't accept your religion then your going to change for them, that is not faith, and you don't believe in God, or your beliefs are twisted. You should stand up for God!
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Be Faithful even to the point of death, that means even if people don't accept your faith do not give in to them.
I do have to agree that if you are changing your beliefs because someone else doesn't believe then that's not being faithful. However, there are plenty of very good points opposing the WMSCOG that are not based off of how we feel but are in stone facts that should make a member change his/her faith in F&M.
fromtheotherside wrote:
Being devoted and 100% living for God is that you strive to do what ever it is you are doing, to do God's work. That means when you go to your worldy profesion you do your best and give it 100% so you shine God's Glory, if your boss says "wow what a great worker, hes different from others!" you just shined God's glory. Or if your a student you try to be number 1, so through you and your accomplishments you can give glory to God. That is Mother's teaching, to do your best at what ever you do so when people look at you, people will know that something is different about you, and when they find out it's because you are christian then that is God's glory shone. You are 100% devoting your life to God. Golf is not a devils' sport, it cleaner than playing pool around drunks and smokers.
secondly, we don't need the "acceptance" of our religion or belief from our families. So if your parents don't accept your religion then your going to change for them, that is not faith, and you don't believe in God, or your beliefs are twisted. You should stand up for God!
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Be Faithful even to the point of death, that means even if people don't accept your faith do not give in to them.
I also agree about this part of your post. We have that in common, just from different perspectives of who God is.
But like Mountain Mom said, what I do here is part of standing up for God. You'd probably say the same from your perspective, FTOS. That's why I think it's important that we get down to some facts where perspective doesn't matter, just the facts.
Read it in Emil's post. Just askin' the guy a question.
Even if Emil said it I can't find anywherer FTOS did
Well, ok.
Liberty wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
I am a non-member and I do not stand up for God. =)
I do not understand what you mean by this Renita.
I mean I am not saying Jesus is the true God or ASH is the true God or Allah or Buddah, etc. I'm not standing up for anyone's God. But if something doesn't make sense I'll say so. If I think something is plausable I'll say it, regaurdless of which God it came from. I am nuetral.
Simon wrote:
Even if Emil said it I can't find anywherer FTOS did
I could be wrong. I may have read too much into this post:
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=4669&page=4#post-18740
fromtheotherside wrote:
100% no doubt. I new about the stuff on this website since 2005, They teach it in the theological seminary
to which I asked:
emil wrote:
I apologize. My question was not clear. Since you seem to be a member from 2005, I wanted to know what you were told about the end of the world or end of preaching or last passover in 2012.
I also asked where you learnt that Catholics rewrote the bible and added "hail marry" and similar things to it.
To which he did not respond to contradict me. Hence the assumption.
Fair enough as an assumption
fromtheotherside wrote:
Don't know where you attended but I've been to over 9 different zions in Korea and also the Jerusalem temple. They are all the same. Also I've been to the Chicago and reseda Zion and san fransico Zion. Chicago's the strictest out of the three, but if you know how to be firm with them, they don't push. If I'm busy I say I'm busy I have plans to meet someone. They don't ask questions. When your busy your busy, when your at church you give it your all, and they're satisfied. I know MM's "relative", I've preached with him a couple times. He's a great brother, and always smiling and laughing, and joking. He told me about preaching to his parents in Montana.
How is it you claim to know people's relatives here when we haven't given those details? I have the feeling you are either bluffing to try to make posters here nervous, or you are very 'high up' in the WMSCOG and have lots of inside information.
we reveal a lot more than we intend on here
Simon wrote:
we reveal a lot more than we intend on here
This is true. I feel with the few posts that I've given so far, many could probably already pinpoint exactly who I am. By most, I mean current Zion members.
And FTOS, Pastor John Lee of Reseda Zion specifically gave a sermon in late 2010 where he addressed golf. He told the congregation, "On Sunday if you ever see me out playing golf for three hours, don't say "Oh Pastor is a good man. He just made a mistake, no worries." "
He continued, "You need to say, "Pastor, what are you doing! Are you crazy! What if Father came and saw you doing this. Why aren't you preaching?" "
That was paraphrased, but I remember that sermon very clearly. I remember after that sermon thinking, "Gosh, he can't even do that." Wsmcog gets its messages across in very subtle ways.
I agree that being firm does help- but firmness wasn't really part of my personality. They will push you as far as you're willing to go and even a little beyond.
Fear is not of God, period.
So, FTOS, what did he tell you about preaching to his parents? How well do you really know him? For all I know, you could be his good buddy who told people (even non members) he was so sure the world was ending in 2012 that if it didn't happen they should shut the doors of the Chicago church and padlock them! Are you that person? You really do sound like him.
I also have a question about the number of people in the Chicago Zion. How many do you think they have there FTOS?
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