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So take it court Joshua, without proof, even testimony does not hold up. Don't compare yours or others word to that of the apostles and God, the bible is testimony from prophets moved by the holy spirit so don't even think their words are the same, as we can see with Dianes testimony PEOPLE lie. Go back and watch her "testimony" if even I can see the faults in it a lawyer would rip it apart throw it right back in her face.
48:40 Daine sounds pretty upset no one called her after she left "Not one person" Almost looks like she was really upset about it.
Diane even says the pastor called looking for her.After service hmm she was sick for four days. Guess who else Call her, the one we call Mother herself? hmm even to mock her, I wonder which is no one or some called.
So is this another one of those testimonies your talking about Joshua?
By your logic a person can claim you physically assaulted them and get a court to convict you with just their testimony, but with out the scratches and bruises there testimony is pointless, just same you need physical evidence.
Simon wrote:
Water isn't always people
Just like lamb isn't always Jesus.
yup
I remember a lesson where the presenter tried to get me to believe that stars represent people in Gods Word. Sometimes stars are what God created them to be. In Gods Word sometimes stars are stars and at other times they represent something else. I think this is one of the major downfalls of the WMSCOG. They try to see a prophesy in everything. Sometime the lessons taught in the Bible are written just the way they were intended to be presented.
FTOS, I am not dismissing your posts. I follow them very closely. Keep posting.
Hmmm, True Joshua. On a side note, is there a scripture that speaks about stars falling and destroying man? Something to that effect.
every verse with stars I know is a prophecy.
I see.
of course theres probably a verse I don't know that uses the word
Rev 6:12-14 The WMSCOG says this is a prophecy of when Jerusalem was surrounded and many Jews were killed. Also, of WWII when, again, many Jews were killed. The stars and the figs represent Jews.
Yes. Thanks for that scripture Renita. That’s it!
Revelation 6:12-17.
I went back and studied this chapter a bit and did a few biblical research and here is what I believe is close to the truth on the above chapter verses.
This sounds more like a universal devastation yet to occur. The final seal mentioned in this chapter is opened and the planet is shaken to its very core. Disorder reigns supreme; the powers of nature and human government collapses. Chaos ensues, and people call upon rocks and mountain to “fall on us.” In this awful moment of divine retribution, there is no repentance by the ungodly. They call upon the powers of nature to deliver them but they will not call upon God.
A “great earthquake” rocks the planet. The sun is darkened, the stars fall, and the heavens (atmosphere) splits apart “like a scroll.” These passages clearly indicate some sort of nuclear or cosmic disaster, which causes the entire planet to be shaken so that the sun, moon and stars appear to be moving, and the atmosphere “is split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up” (v. 14). John’s description is very similar to that in 2 Peter 3:10. In both passages, the “heavens” refer to earth’s atmosphere, not the dwelling place of God (which, of course, remains undamaged). But the planet is totally devastated, and universal terror reigns supreme in the hearts of the unregenerate men.
What is all of this? Our text says it is the “wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come: and who is able to stand?” (vv. 16-17). Some limit the wrath to the sixth seal and onwards. Some divide the first four or five seals into the first half of the Tribulation, and seal six initiates the last half, or the Great Tribulation. However, there is nothing in the text itself to indicate this. The reference to the “wrath of the Lamb” could just as easily be a summary statement covering His opening of all six seals.
So to conclude, the school of thought they (Wmscog) hold by saying this is a prophecy of when Jerusalem was surrounded and many Jews were killed; of WWII when many Jews were killed; The stars and the figs represent Jews, appear flawed if not flawed. It doesn’t appear to be anywhere close to the truth.
fromtheotherside wrote:
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
She has made it known her relative is from chicago. Her idnis mountainmom which leads me to believe she is caucasion her relative works for corp makes good money. Like i said ive been to cjicago mostly everyone is spanish or korean vry few caucasions withba good job. Also she likes the muntains illinois is flat land i know only one caucasion who used to live in a mountainous areab not to hard to figure out.
I'm going to ask you this again: Fromtheotherside,
Who wrote this:
The time that the tabernacle (New Jerusalem) see (21:3, 9-10) comes down is 1000 years after the end of the world. It is written, “Then I saw‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.” (Revelation 21:1).
and
Question (from those of us who "need to study more") Has the world ended and if so, has 1000 years passed already ?
How could the world end already, what kinda question is that? If it had ended I would be in heaven! ^^. I chose number 3 Father's statement is correct and Mother is the New Jerusalem. Aren't we building the heavenly temple? Was that not our objective for preaching and bearing fruit:? Well we built it in heaven, so yes it will come down after the 1000 year reign in heaven with God. So, there is no contradictions. The temple in heaven we are building is the Heavenly Jerusalem. Named after its builder (also in Father's book) Mother!
BTW, It ain't Heaven you're going to. Prepare your summer underwear. Get a haircut and get a real job. It seems Jesus has stupmed you. LOL Give it up, it's over. Is that the best answer they could come up with ? LMAO. You know damn well YOU didn't come up with that Bullshit. Remember the comedy thread ? Well it's all looking like that now; thanks to you. Keep em' coming, you're a laughing stock. The laughter you bring is priceless in this sad sad situation and it's getting more and more absurd. THANK YOU JESUS !
emil wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
I'm going to ask you this again: Fromtheotherside,
Who wrote this:
The time that the tabernacle (New Jerusalem) see (21:3, 9-10) comes down is 1000 years after the end of the world. It is written, “Then I saw‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.” (Revelation 21:1).
and
Question (from those of us who "need to study more") Has the world ended and if so, has 1000 years passed already ?
How could the world end already, what kinda question is that? If it had ended I would be in heaven! ^^.
According to the wmscog, your Mother God is the New Jerusalem. According to Ahn, the New Jerusalem comes down 1000 years after the end of the world. If you say the world has not yet ended, and I totally agree with you, then either Ahn's statement is wrong or Zahng is not the New Jerusalem. Take your pick.
EXACTLY !
Sarah2013 wrote:
A "great earthquake" rocks the planet. The sun is darkened, the stars fall, and the heavens (atmosphere) splits apart "like a scroll." These passages clearly indicate some sort of nuclear or cosmic disaster, which causes the entire planet to be shaken so that the sun, moon and stars appear to be moving, and the atmosphere "is split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up" (v. 14). John's description is very similar to that in 2 Peter 3:10. In both passages, the "heavens" refer to earth's atmosphere, not the dwelling place of God (which, of course, remains undamaged). But the planet is totally devastated, and universal terror reigns supreme in the hearts of the unregenerate men.
The sun turned black: They say it means the law of Christ is lost. The moon turned red: I think this is talking about the law of Moses. Stars fell from the sky: Gen 15:15 the stars are Jews. Figs fell from a strong wind: Lk 13:6-9 Figs are Jews. Is 5:28 Wind is war. Heavens receding, mountains moved: Atomic bomb. They have proof Rev 16:12 already happened.
The WMSCOG says that the 1000 years in Rev isn't literal.
Interesting.
It's to help us understand the 6:1 rule. Work 6 days, rest 1 day. Plow 6 years, don't plow 1 year. Salvation work 6,000 years, rest in heaven 1,000 years which is actually an eternity.
renita.payno wrote:
The sun turned black: They say it means the law of Christ is lost. The moon turned red: I think this is talking about the law of Moses. Stars fell from the sky: Gen 15:15 the stars are Jews. Figs fell from a strong wind: Lk 13:6-9 Figs are Jews. Is 5:28 Wind is war. Heavens receding, mountains moved: Atomic bomb. They have proof Rev 16:12 already happened.
I think you meant Rev. 6:12?
If they say the sixth seal has already happened, then what do they say seals 1-5 were? They must have happened before seal 6.
genny wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
The sun turned black: They say it means the law of Christ is lost. The moon turned red: I think this is talking about the law of Moses. Stars fell from the sky: Gen 15:15 the stars are Jews. Figs fell from a strong wind: Lk 13:6-9 Figs are Jews. Is 5:28 Wind is war. Heavens receding, mountains moved: Atomic bomb. They have proof Rev 16:12 already happened.
I think you meant Rev. 6:12?
If they say the sixth seal has already happened, then what do they say seals 1-5 were? They must have happened before seal 6.
No, I was right. Rev 16:12 is about the river that dried up. They say the 1st 6 cups and the 1st 6 seals have already passed. I can't remember exactly what the horses mean but they are people. The white horse is the Christ. I think the red one is satan. I brought up the cups, too, because the WMSCOG doesn't believe that these events are to happen all at once like some other churches teach. The cups and seals overlap.
Ahnsahnghong has a sermon on video I remember a lot was supposed to be during the dark ages
Yea, most of it "happened" centuries ago. I can't remember anything really. Sorry..
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