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So take it court Joshua, without proof, even testimony does not hold up. Don't compare yours or others word to that of the apostles and God, the bible is testimony from prophets moved by the holy spirit so don't even think their words are the same, as we can see with Dianes testimony PEOPLE lie. Go back and watch her "testimony" if even I can see the faults in it a lawyer would rip it apart throw it right back in her face.
48:40 Daine sounds pretty upset no one called her after she left "Not one person" Almost looks like she was really upset about it.
Diane even says the pastor called looking for her.After service hmm she was sick for four days. Guess who else Call her, the one we call Mother herself? hmm even to mock her, I wonder which is no one or some called.
So is this another one of those testimonies your talking about Joshua?
By your logic a person can claim you physically assaulted them and get a court to convict you with just their testimony, but with out the scratches and bruises there testimony is pointless, just same you need physical evidence.
You keep attacking and it is just as pathetic now as it was then. I do not follow your false god so I will not be taking it to court and if I should ever choose to do so I will do so from a position of fact. This means that I will not lose like your false god. All you seem to see in your shallowness is ways to try to defend this pathetic cult and this losing god. No one stays in a cult forever! You are only pissing off the people who are trying to help you creating a situation where you might not have anywhere to turn. You will stay a slave longer that you should. Wake up and stop with this pathetic attempt to defend the undefendable. Get out NOW. You gave your soul to Satan when you joined this cult. Get out, ask forgiveness from God almighty, turn from this pathetic sin, and live in the freedom of God.
FTOS, do you really think we have to look at Diane's testimony to see people lie? I think that we have already seen the deceptions your church has perpetrated, and in real life, not from a video. She's not lying. I'm not lying. Joshua's not lying. We all have better things to do than talk on this forum. It is simply that we have to be here, we have to try to help people stuck in this group before they waste their lives there. As I said before, my relative does not exist in a vacuum. His involvement in this church has hijacked all our lives. We won't simply desert him. I guess that would be easier, and some people might resort to that, but we can't. We love him too much. So we are stuck dealing with this. I think I speak for anyone who has a loved one in this destructive group.
And by the way, you never answered my question on another post. I asked you directly, why do you say attendance isn't compulsory, and yet my relative seems to not want to go, and says "I have to." Not "I want to." "I have to." I know he has been told something bad will happen to him if he doesn't go. These fear tactics are used on him regularly, and this is undue influence. Why would people tell him he could have an accident or be injured if he misses one Sabbath? He was told this, and that is a fact. Not compulsory? Then what is that? Worse yet, he will lose his salvation! Come on, that is manipulation pure and simple. So what is your reply?
fromtheotherside wrote:
She said she recorded the conversation with her and Mother, So either she has that and she did talk to mother which still makes her a really dramatic liar cuz she stressed with almost tears that no one called to find out how she was doing and said we had no love, or she has no tape and mother didn't call her and no one called her which she is still a liar.
or it is a little something called hyperbole
MountainMom wrote:
FTOS, do you really think we have to look at Diane's testimony to see people lie? I think that we have already seen the deceptions your church has perpetrated, and in real life, not from a video. She's not lying. I'm not lying. Joshua's not lying. We all have better things to do than talk on this forum. It is simply that we have to be here, we have to try to help people stuck in this group before they waste their lives there. As I said before, my relative does not exist in a vacuum. His involvement in this church has hijacked all our lives. We won't simply desert him. I guess that would be easier, and some people might resort to that, but we can't. We love him too much. So we are stuck dealing with this. I think I speak for anyone who has a loved one in this destructive group.
And by the way, you never answered my question on another post. I asked you directly, why do you say attendance isn't compulsory, and yet my relative seems to not want to go, and says "I have to." Not "I want to." "I have to." I know he has been told something bad will happen to him if he doesn't go. These fear tactics are used on him regularly, and this is undue influence. Why would people tell him he could have an accident or be injured if he misses one Sabbath? He was told this, and that is a fact. Not compulsory? Then what is that? Worse yet, he will lose his salvation! Come on, that is manipulation pure and simple. So what is your reply?
Mom, you can see the arrogance in his first sentence of this thread. "So, take it to court" and what he is saying there is we cover our selves. We get our underling stooges to say what we want done, keeping our real peeps clean, exactly as Ron said in his video. The only way to hold them accountable is to have more "deacons" and "deaconesses" do what Ronny and Diane and now Tim are doing. Oh and he still hasn't answered the 1000 years after the end of the world question yet either, why ? because he can't. He's awaiting instructions from the think tank up there at HQ.
haha.. what a funny sarcastic comment FTOS. good thing that wasn't personal. =)
fromtheotherside wrote:
Joshua wrote:
You keep attacking and it is just as pathetic now as it was then. I do not follow your false god so I will not be taking it to court and if I should ever choose to do so I will do so from a position of fact. This means that I will not lose like your false god. All you seem to see in your shallowness is ways to try to defend this pathetic cult and this losing god. No one stays in a cult forever! You are only pissing off the people who are trying to help you creating a situation where you might not have anywhere to turn. You will stay a slave longer that you should. Wake up and stop with this pathetic attempt to defend the undefendable. Get out NOW. You gave your soul to Satan when you joined this cult. Get out, ask forgiveness from God almighty, turn from this pathetic sin, and live in the freedom of God.
Joshua, go take some Midol, and be yourself, a sniveling little coward, I know your type you talk but can't do anything. That's the problem with, as I said take it to court, boy. I won't even say again because your already headed for hell, living in your delusional life. Repent sinner and come to God.
Yes Renita this guy just continues to be pathetic. There has been no facts and no truth to what he has brought here. Do you see how easily he falls appart. He can't help himself. FTOS if you think for one part of a second that I am going to repent of my life and come worship your false, pathetic, deaf, and dying god then you are even more pathetic that I have given you credit for. Oh, this sniveling little coward is backed up by God almighty and even though it is against my feeling God still tells me that He cares about you. Wake up and repent to the one true God you pathetic sinner and defender of Satan. Well, it could just be the Midol talking. (Ha)
I've never tried Midol. I just eat ice cream and take a nap.That usually makes me feel better.
FTOS, I don't hate you or the other members of the wmscog. I know you have been manipulated, and you may actually believe what you hear there. You very obviously take our disagreement personally, while at the same time telling those here who disagree with you to be polite, calm, etc. You can't seem to do what you are telling us to, but you tell us that anyway. So I sense your deep frustration. You can sense ours as well, I am sure.
I personally know many of the people on here, not just through the internet. I have met many mothers, fathers, wives, husbands, etc., whose stories are here. They are real. I am real. I am in pain as a result of my relative's involvement as these others are. Please consider that what we are saying is absolutely true, because it is. Not a slight to you, not because we are all liars, but because we know what is going on with that church. I hope you will, and I hope you will get out of there. Some of their really devoted members are now out because they discovered this church is based on lies by people who benefited from lying to them.
I am not going to benefit when my relative gets out. I will be left with a mess to clean up because when he realizes what they have done, he will experience some pain for all he has lost, and I am not sure how he will cope. But I will be there to help him and defend him because I love him dearly. You have some people who would be willing to help you, too.
And you still haven't said why my relative now says he "has" to go rather than exhibiting any kind of enthusiasm. He really doesn't seem to want to anymore. So, why?
Ftos, I have to chime in here. I understand you are frustrated with Joshua, but personal attacks about his family seem to be over the line.
As far as your above message to MM, I am in a similar situation, and our son wants us to listen to him, but he won’t listen to us….it has to be a two way street, but in his world at the moment it’s all take, no give!
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