Newtown shootings according to members

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  • #7040
    MrAnderson
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    I find the COG interpretation of the shootings so messed up. Well, I didn’t hear the Mother saying it but I heard a sister and a deaconess mention them.

    The sister mentioned how those 20 children actually committed such a grievous sin in Heaven that they didn’t have a chance to repent but F&M forgave us and that’s why we have received forgiveness of sins… How blessed we are….

    I remember when I learned the study of the secret of the forgiveness of sins, I was taught that the reason why babies die is because of their sins in Heaven even though they didn’t sin in this earth. So I guess they or we do believe those 20 children didn’t deserve to live, which makes Adam Lanza the angel of death or I guess somebody doing gods will… It’s crazy, but if we are honest, that’s what COG believes.

    The deaconess mentioned how blessed we are that we don’t have to suffer those things, which goes to the same point, those children died because of gods will and because god didn’t love them.

    These teachings are really makin me sick.. I’m just so scared of leaving. I’ve sent letters to Mother but no answer..

    Is there any prove that Mother is not God?

  • #49947

    Love'n Honey
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    I completely understand why they would say that. If a child, say 8 years old, made a plan to kill his parents and attempted to but didn’t finish the job, many people would be fearful of this child. They’ll try to excuse his behavior with a mental illness because he’s just a child. There’s no way he was in his right mind!…… But let a grown man do the exact same thing and he’s a bad person. Generally, if he tried to get off on a mental illness people would have a cow!

    IF we all committed a grave sin in heaven, IF all of our spirits are really billions of years old, then yes.. We ALL deserve death no matter our physical age. That child who made an elaborate plan to kill his parents did a bad thing and should be punished for it. That man who made an elaborate plan to kill his parents did a bad thing and should be punished for it. Every spirit that did a bad thing ought to be punished for it.

    Personally.. Idk why God decided to let those people die. =(

    #49948

    genny
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    MrAnderson wrote:

    I find the COG interpretation of the shootings so messed up. Well, I didn't hear the Mother saying it but I heard a sister and a deaconess mention them.

    The sister mentioned how those 20 children actually committed such a grievous sin in Heaven that they didn't have a chance to repent but F&M forgave us and that's why we have received forgiveness of sins… How blessed we are….

    I remember when I learned the study of the secret of the forgiveness of sins, I was taught that the reason why babies die is because of their sins in Heaven even though they didn't sin in this earth. So I guess they or we do believe those 20 children didn't deserve to live, which makes Adam Lanza the angel of death or I guess somebody doing gods will… It's crazy, but if we are honest, that's what COG believes.

    The deaconess mentioned how blessed we are that we don't have to suffer those things, which goes to the same point, those children died because of gods will and because god didn't love them.

    These teachings are really makin me sick.. I'm just so scared of leaving. I've sent letters to Mother but no answer..

    Is there any prove that Mother is not God?

    MrAnderson, I agree there is something wrong with the 'we were angels that sinned' doctrine because of the implications in the death of babies/children.  I wrote about it on my blog: http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/03/sin-of-baby.html

    #49949

    Joshua
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    Mr. Anderson, please take the time to research for yourself "New Jerusalem". You will find that it has to be a place. Ahn even taught this message when he was alive. Check out the dimentions, foundations, entrances, all of the details of this city being built by Gods own hands. Check the time frame for when this great city is to appear to us. All of these facts that the WMS twist to create the illusion of god the mother are very clear and point to the fact that Zahng is not and cannot be God. Once again I beg you, do your own research and do it away from the influence of this group. Find the truth for yourself! Do not rely on what other people are telling you is the truth. Please leave this group imeadiately for your own good. As for the fear you are feeling, I address groups of people at times and one of the acronims I like to share with them is F.E.A.R. = False Evidence Appearing Real. Fear and worry are things that can keep us from acting at times. God gives us opportunities to overcome fear and by overcoming we take control of our fears. This is clearly an opportunity for you. Take advantage of it and break free from this.

    #49950

    Stained
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    MrAnderson wrote:

    I find the COG interpretation of the shootings so messed up. Well, I didn't hear the Mother saying it but I heard a sister and a deaconess mention them.

    The sister mentioned how those 20 children actually committed such a grievous sin in Heaven that they didn't have a chance to repent but F&M forgave us and that's why we have received forgiveness of sins… How blessed we are….

    I remember when I learned the study of the secret of the forgiveness of sins, I was taught that the reason why babies die is because of their sins in Heaven even though they didn't sin in this earth. So I guess they or we do believe those 20 children didn't deserve to live, which makes Adam Lanza the angel of death or I guess somebody doing gods will… It's crazy, but if we are honest, that's what COG believes.

    The deaconess mentioned how blessed we are that we don't have to suffer those things, which goes to the same point, those children died because of gods will and because god didn't love them.

    These teachings are really makin me sick.. I'm just so scared of leaving. I've sent letters to Mother but no answer..

    Is there any prove that Mother is not God?

     

    You cannot be serious that someone actually uttered those words because whoever did utter those words is a SICK SON OF A .  Even the likes of them would rebuke the hell out of whoever said that publically because if it's one thing that they don't need any more of is bad PR.  Flip side of the coin, yeah, I believe that's exactly what they believe.  

    Here's how the mind of a person that thinks like that thinks.  Watch it all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqwE6yHbnKo 

    So sad.  We gotta be bigger than this.  WE have to pray for THEM. All the way to the top.  I think Joshua would agree.  Josh, what say you my friend ?  Josh, what say you my friend ?

    #49951

    Simon
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    Actually that contradicts WMS doctrine regarding those who never hear the gospel in this life.

    #49952

    Joshua
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    Prayer should always be our first line of defence. Fight like a man! Get on your knees and pray!

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