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I am another unfortunate parent of a member of this church. My daughter has now been in for a couple years and it has changed her personality. I feel like she is always trying to "push the product" so to speak. We see alot less of her around here. She is so exhausted from her church functions she has no time for anybody else. It is absolutely rediculous how they have controlled her mind. It makes me sad to see that this is now her life and that she is now a shell of a person. I have been talking to her until I have almost alienated her because I have been saying how and why I disagree with this church. She is "over it" and is sick of hearing me rant about it. I know this is not the recommended thing to do, but I feel so frustrated I want to screaaaammmmmm!!!! Is there any former members that live in the Salt Lake City, Utah area? I really need a former member to possibly meet with me and come up with a game plan. I would seriously pay somebody. It would need to be somebody that knows the bible. I dont know if this is acceptable on this website, but I am a desperate mother looking at any option. I understand that the longer that they are in here the worse it gets and the harder it is for them to get out. If there is a parent out there that has had some success or anybody that can give me ideas. I know she does not want to hear anymore of my bantoring. she just wants facts from the bible. Unfortunately this church is good at mis interpreting the bible. UUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!
I’m in favor of using the bible. But I don’t know if it’ll always work. I think its good to know their teachings and doctrine. I would try and point errors in their practice. For example the church keeps half a sabbath day. Sun rise to sun set. And Jesus specifically said salvation is from the Jews John 4:22. No where does it state that salvation also comes from Korea, or South Koreans, or a female women whose supporters claim she is God.
But then the member might say, “oh but we are in the age of the holy spirit”. So round and round we go. You know what I mean?
2 years is a long time. Most likely there will be more to come. Because of the nature of this type of entrapement, you need to avoid reinforcing THEIR message by arguing. We are in for more years than you with our child. Best to avoid discussion of theology, bible, or whatever else causes your child to withdraw from you. Having your child chained up like this is very hard to deal with, but somehow you must. Try your best to keep communication open. If your child starts in with WMSCOG discussion points, just say "OK" and then change the subject if possible. Actually, now our child doesn't bring up WMSCOG theology with us at all any longer. We still meet on occasion … but as you know, it doesn't feel like you are meeting with the child you raised ……
I agree with HH. Keep communications open as well as you can. Avoid talking about the church or theology. They want you to argue with your loved one who is a member. They will work on breaking the bond with the person in the family who is most influential to their member, especially if they know that person is on to them.
Arguing, “theology for theology” won’t work. They have an answer for all their errors. This is why when they preach certain topocs they ask “Do you beleive in the bible?”. (If any exmember has had a preaching prospect answe “No”, the WMS preacher is left blank).
I personally suggest learning more of the History of some of the biblical stories and definitions etc. This site has alot of reference points. A big part is also just being there. Many member s stay in because they had huge falling outs with family. Im telling you from experience, MANY current members disagree with the church on varying levels. When a new subtlety was introduced I would watch the members expressions during service, and you could see the disgust, or confusion at times. So if your a caring parent even in disagreement, its easier for them to say, “I was wrong”.
Don’t cut off your relationship or communication with your child. If he or she doesn’t have family to go to, then they will keep on returning to the overseer and the control of the church.
Whattheheck my husband has been in it since right AFTER we got married and I have been trying to get him out for the past 9 yrs. The more I argue the more I push him away. This cult is awful and I’m sorry. Unfortunately I know exactly what you are going through. It makes you want to scream bc its all about mind games and reverse psychology when all you want to do is say wake up dont be stupid!!! Im also willing to do anything to get him out even pay to have an ex member talk to my husband. We r in New Orleans and there is no one close.
Arguing scripture is the worst bc my husband will bring up like 3 scriptires that are gray area like Gen 1:26,27 (us and our of course they are talking about a male and female Korean total sarcasm)and the verse about drink the blood to have life in me (passover only way to salvation) and Gal 4:26 (even though if they read whole chpt the Bible is talking about Sarah and Hagar)
If she can accept the following:
"Just because they are right about some things, doesn't mean that they are right about everything"
then it would be a lot easier to wake her up.
Errors in scripture was what got me out, so that is definitely one of the possible ways. However until she can accept what's written above, all efforts and methods would just fall on deaf ears
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