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The members of reseda Zion were told Jerusalem is physical. I thought it was spiritual! How can Jerusalem come down out of heaven (after 1,000 years LOL) if Jerusalem is physically here?!
It’s almost like whoever is dreaming up these crappy sermons is daring the members to think about this and leave. Well guess what? It’s happening. The members are discussing this nonsense and are preparing to leave. The members are waking up & leaving. Hallelujah! Praise Jesus!
Chapter 17 A Curse is Received by Making an Offering to the Queen of Heaven
Um Sooin fulfills the prophecy of the Jeremiah by claiming that she alone came down to this earth from the New Jerusalem and that people must serve her in order to receive great blessings.
【Jeremiah 7:18】「The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.」
Um Sooin claims that she is the only bride, the new heavens and the New Jerusalem. Through this, she becomes a queen and she receive tithes that should be given to Melchizedek. She raises herself up as if she is greater than God.
How arrogant and insolent an act is this? How long will God be patient with her?
【Jeremiah 7:18-20】「The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger. But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame? " 'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground, and it will burn and not be quenched. 」
This prophecy is said to refer to the Roiman Catholic Church worshipping Mary but it becomes more clearer evidence against Um Sooin.
Now Place Zang Zil Zah in Um Sooin and read carefully what is happening in WMSCOG
Chapter 17 A Curse is Received by Making an Offering to the Queen of Heaven
Um Sooin fulfills the prophecy of the Jeremiah by claiming that she alone came down to this earth from the New Jerusalem and that people must serve her in order to receive great blessings.
【Jeremiah 7:18】「The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.」
Um Sooin claims that she is the only bride, the new heavens and the New Jerusalem. Through this, she becomes a queen and she receive tithes that should be given to Melchizedek. She raises herself up as if she is greater than God.
How arrogant and insolent an act is this? How long will God be patient with her?
【Jeremiah 7:18-20】「The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger. But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame? " 'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground, and it will burn and not be quenched. 」
This prophecy is said to refer to the Roiman Catholic Church worshipping Mary but it becomes more clearer evidence against Um Sooin.
Now Place Zang Zil Zah in Um Sooin and read carefully what is happening in WMSCOG
Love wrote:
I can challenge, ahn shang hong never mention about Jerusalem mother not even in his book. Please visit NCPCOG wave site there you will find many writing notes of Ahn Shang Hong. Also he mention the meaning of Elohim as in Hebrew grammar one god. Ahn Shang Hong never testified about mother image of god. Mother god is established by wmscog before Ahn Shang Hong death there were no mother god. This false mother will appear after ahn Shang Hong' death is prophesy in Meathew 13: 24-43 read care fully, will know the truth.
Where? I've been to the site and couldn't find this exactly..
Love wrote:
I can challenge, ahn shang hong never mention about Jerusalem mother not even in his book. Please visit NCPCOG wave site there you will find many writing notes of Ahn Shang Hong. Also he mention the meaning of Elohim as in Hebrew grammar one god. Ahn Shang Hong never testified about mother image of god. Mother god is established by wmscog before Ahn Shang Hong death there were no mother god. This false mother will appear after ahn Shang Hong' death is prophesy in Meathew 13: 24-43 read care fully, will know the truth.
Where? I've been to the site and couldn't find this exactly..
God my love wrote:
Chapter 8 The Heavenly New Jerusalem is Real and Material
144,000 saints are included in the New Jerusalem and there is a material New City of Jerusalem. If there is not an actual New Jerusalem, where and how will the 144,000 saints live in Heaven?
The New Jerusalem which is written of in Revelation 21:1-4, the tabernacle of God, abides with human beings. However, this tabernacle is a spiritual building not a person. Then, why does our church assert that the New Jerusalem is the saints or the Church, the 144,000 saints? The reason is that all churches think that the building is the church and the New Jerusalem. However, I am definitely testifying so that it is more clarity that where the place that the saints gather is the church and the place where the 144,000 saints would enter is the New Jerusalem.
However, Jesus built the Heavenly New Jerusalem before the 144,000 saints came into existence. It is written:
【Hebrews 8:1-2】「The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.」
It was revealed that this tabernacle would came down from Heaven after the work on earth had been completed and the 1,000 years had passed.
The problem with the WMSCOG is that they have strayed so far from Ash's true teaching that all they can do is mess it up! I guess they're trying to correct the inconsistencies but they have succeeded in creating more. I'm glad to be out and I pray that the current members will see more and more the changes in the teachings. It is a 3 ring circus in Zion!
God my love wrote:
Chapter 8 The Heavenly New Jerusalem is Real and Material
144,000 saints are included in the New Jerusalem and there is a material New City of Jerusalem. If there is not an actual New Jerusalem, where and how will the 144,000 saints live in Heaven?
The New Jerusalem which is written of in Revelation 21:1-4, the tabernacle of God, abides with human beings. However, this tabernacle is a spiritual building not a person. Then, why does our church assert that the New Jerusalem is the saints or the Church, the 144,000 saints? The reason is that all churches think that the building is the church and the New Jerusalem. However, I am definitely testifying so that it is more clarity that where the place that the saints gather is the church and the place where the 144,000 saints would enter is the New Jerusalem.
However, Jesus built the Heavenly New Jerusalem before the 144,000 saints came into existence. It is written:
【Hebrews 8:1-2】「The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.」
It was revealed that this tabernacle would came down from Heaven after the work on earth had been completed and the 1,000 years had passed.
The problem with the WMSCOG is that they have strayed so far from Ash's true teaching that all they can do is mess it up! I guess they're trying to correct the inconsistencies but they have succeeded in creating more. I'm glad to be out and I pray that the current members will see more and more the changes in the teachings. It is a 3 ring circus in Zion!
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
God my love wrote:
Chapter 7 The Jerusalem in Heaven is Our Mother
The Apostle Paul is speaking of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Nevertheless, Um Sooin claims that she is the Heavenly Jerusalem and that she has come down to earth. According to the prophecy of Galatians 4:22-24, Sarah is the Heavenly Jerusalem. However, if the New Jerusalem is Um Sooin, she has then married her son. The reason for this is that Isaac is the son of Sarah, and it is said that Isaac is also Christ. (Gal. 3:16) Um Sooin has then become the mother of Christ as well as the bride (wife) of Christ. Um Sooin states that I am Isaac with weakness of sight while claiming that she is Sarah, who is the Heavenly Jerusalem. She is then saying that she will live with Isaac who is her son. How extremely scandalous is this? With this type of misguided delusion, she has become a false prophet and has attempted to gain power. Please think of what will become of her sin and the sin of those who follow after her. (Isa. 9:16)
Now Reader Please Replace Zang Zil Zah in the place where Um Soo in is and think care fully
*** EXACTLY.
God my love wrote:
Chapter 7 The Jerusalem in Heaven is Our Mother
The Apostle Paul is speaking of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Nevertheless, Um Sooin claims that she is the Heavenly Jerusalem and that she has come down to earth. According to the prophecy of Galatians 4:22-24, Sarah is the Heavenly Jerusalem. However, if the New Jerusalem is Um Sooin, she has then married her son. The reason for this is that Isaac is the son of Sarah, and it is said that Isaac is also Christ. (Gal. 3:16) Um Sooin has then become the mother of Christ as well as the bride (wife) of Christ. Um Sooin states that I am Isaac with weakness of sight while claiming that she is Sarah, who is the Heavenly Jerusalem. She is then saying that she will live with Isaac who is her son. How extremely scandalous is this? With this type of misguided delusion, she has become a false prophet and has attempted to gain power. Please think of what will become of her sin and the sin of those who follow after her. (Isa. 9:16)
Now Reader Please Replace Zang Zil Zah in the place where Um Soo in is and think care fully
*** EXACTLY.
God my love wrote:
Chapter 7 The Jerusalem in Heaven is Our Mother
The Apostle Paul is speaking of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Nevertheless, Um Sooin claims that she is the Heavenly Jerusalem and that she has come down to earth. According to the prophecy of Galatians 4:22-24, Sarah is the Heavenly Jerusalem. However, if the New Jerusalem is Um Sooin, she has then married her son. The reason for this is that Isaac is the son of Sarah, and it is said that Isaac is also Christ. (Gal. 3:16) Um Sooin has then become the mother of Christ as well as the bride (wife) of Christ. Um Sooin states that I am Isaac with weakness of sight while claiming that she is Sarah, who is the Heavenly Jerusalem. She is then saying that she will live with Isaac who is her son. How extremely scandalous is this? With this type of misguided delusion, she has become a false prophet and has attempted to gain power. Please think of what will become of her sin and the sin of those who follow after her. (Isa. 9:16)
Now Reader Please Replace Zang Zil Zah in the place where Um Sooin is and think care fully
Apart from the fact that Ahn has denied that the New Jerusalem is a woman, the text I have emphasized, also indicates that Ahn denies that he is Christ.
God my love wrote:
Chapter 7 The Jerusalem in Heaven is Our Mother
The Apostle Paul is speaking of the Heavenly Jerusalem. Nevertheless, Um Sooin claims that she is the Heavenly Jerusalem and that she has come down to earth. According to the prophecy of Galatians 4:22-24, Sarah is the Heavenly Jerusalem. However, if the New Jerusalem is Um Sooin, she has then married her son. The reason for this is that Isaac is the son of Sarah, and it is said that Isaac is also Christ. (Gal. 3:16) Um Sooin has then become the mother of Christ as well as the bride (wife) of Christ. Um Sooin states that I am Isaac with weakness of sight while claiming that she is Sarah, who is the Heavenly Jerusalem. She is then saying that she will live with Isaac who is her son. How extremely scandalous is this? With this type of misguided delusion, she has become a false prophet and has attempted to gain power. Please think of what will become of her sin and the sin of those who follow after her. (Isa. 9:16)
Now Reader Please Replace Zang Zil Zah in the place where Um Sooin is and think care fully
Apart from the fact that Ahn has denied that the New Jerusalem is a woman, the text I have emphasized, also indicates that Ahn denies that he is Christ.
YoMomma SoFat wrote:
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
Here's his Books. In his own words and hand-writing. Ahhh, good to be back.
YoMomma SoFat wrote:
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
Here's his Books. In his own words and hand-writing. Ahhh, good to be back.
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
YoMomma SoFat wrote:
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
Here's his Books. In his own words and hand-writing. Ahhh, good to be back.
Who's to say which book was altered or for that matter how they should be interpreted. Further, I know of no lawsuit involving the NCPCOG and the WMSCOG. If that is true where can it be found? It's not my intention to be adverse but it seems your giving an opinion not necessarily stating a fact
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
YoMomma SoFat wrote:
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
Here's his Books. In his own words and hand-writing. Ahhh, good to be back.
Who's to say which book was altered or for that matter how they should be interpreted. Further, I know of no lawsuit involving the NCPCOG and the WMSCOG. If that is true where can it be found? It's not my intention to be adverse but it seems your giving an opinion not necessarily stating a fact
For starters to know which book came 1st is by looking at the registered date or published date (whichever terminology the Koreans use). We know that Ash’s books were published prior to his death in 1985. All of the books published by the WMSCOG through Melchizedek Publishing were around 1997 or so. Do the math.
For starters to know which book came 1st is by looking at the registered date or published date (whichever terminology the Koreans use). We know that Ash’s books were published prior to his death in 1985. All of the books published by the WMSCOG through Melchizedek Publishing were around 1997 or so. Do the math.
Carlos wrote:
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
YoMomma SoFat wrote:
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
Here's his Books. In his own words and hand-writing. Ahhh, good to be back.
Who's to say which book was altered or for that matter how they should be interpreted. Further, I know of no lawsuit involving the NCPCOG and the WMSCOG. If that is true where can it be found? It's not my intention to be adverse but it seems your giving an opinion not necessarily stating a fact
Listen here: Ahn has nothing to do with the WMS. They're a spin off and why they claim Ahn at all is beyond many of us. If he were alive today, he'd be chief pastor @ NCPCOG and his wife Hwang Won Soon would be chief Kwan Sa Nim. Is that not obvious to you ?
Carlos wrote:
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
YoMomma SoFat wrote:
My problem is this: Is what the WMSCOG doing legal in South Korea? And if not, why hasn't the operation been stopped?
The NCPCOG claims to have the actual writings of Ash while the WMSCOG claims the same. The contradiction is that the books, though very similar, have key differences. Did Ash write 2 different sets of books? I highly doubt it.. With today's technology, we don't need Ash to be alive to prove what he did/n't write. Did I miss the part where the NCPCOG sued the WMSCOG for claiming Ash's writings? Perhaps it was the other way around? Using someone's name in a false manner has to be illegal, right?
Here's his Books. In his own words and hand-writing. Ahhh, good to be back.
Who's to say which book was altered or for that matter how they should be interpreted. Further, I know of no lawsuit involving the NCPCOG and the WMSCOG. If that is true where can it be found? It's not my intention to be adverse but it seems your giving an opinion not necessarily stating a fact
Listen here: Ahn has nothing to do with the WMS. They're a spin off and why they claim Ahn at all is beyond many of us. If he were alive today, he'd be chief pastor @ NCPCOG and his wife Hwang Won Soon would be chief Kwan Sa Nim. Is that not obvious to you ?
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