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just finished argueing with a wmscog member, it all started this morning when a friend who is a former member called me and said a girl from wmscog who lived in the same apartment building as him visited him and talked to him about how wrong he is to left the church and after he told him about me, that member said she wanted to talk to me so she can also "enlighten" me about "the truth", so i agreed to meet in starbucks.
so we met and after the standard wmscog MUST SAY and SHOW discussions and bible verses from highlighted bible about the "proof" of mr anh is Jesus, about the raptor from the east and other rehearsed speech, i told her lets just talk about the tithing and mama zhang since thats the reason why this man, my friend leave your church.
just as i expected, after some back and forth conversations about tithes "laws", she started to recite Luke 16 : 19-31 and asked me do i think the bible is not tell that hoarding earthly possesions and money will only leads to hell? i said yap no doubt that the bible says if you are greedy and only care about material thoughts in your life, it will lead you to hell but that dont mean it say that you should give up everything to a self proclaimed god to buy your salvation.
that annoys her i think since then she started to bullshit about how mama zhang live in bad condition in korea where she spend all her time reading letters from her "childrens" to the point she got a sore eyes and cant stop thinkking about her lost sons and daugthers from all around the world.
then i told her, i dont know if she aware about this or not but i personally have watched some of wmscog videos that boast about how big and beautiful that elohim complex in budang is, theres some scenes of mama zhang smilling and showing off some nice buildings where her overseas "childrens" can stay if they visit korea, so you just told me about how Lazarus the poor sit on Abraham lap while the crazy rich would burn in hell begging for a single drop of water?? i think those videos dont show ANYTHING that says mama zhang lived in poor condition or having a hard time and definitely nowhere anywhere near the condition like Lazarus.
then that girl just stormed out from the cafe.
Its an introduction. When anyone gives a speech of some kind its courtsey to thank everyone who has come. And a mother to her children she “knows” how much they struggled to get there and how much others wanted to go. So she’s merely showing compasion for her “children”. She does give sermons. She goes through scripture explaining why we should keep the commands and such. In some videos she’s a comedian.. lol and some she’s a preacher.
Simon wrote:
That is possible we don't really know what she knows and doesn't know. Sometimes I fear it is so and that she doesn't even know the path she leads others on and that she herself is on but that seems almost too incredible
pero Zhang tambien seria esclava de ellos , porque Zhang.no disfruta del dinero que tiene, ya que solo pasa en el templo y no veo cual sea su proposito o que gane haciendo eso, hacerse pasar por Dios
She has made some funny jokes in her semons this is true.
not sure what jl said in response to me google translate didn't make sense of it. Does anyone know what s/he said?
Hal wrote:
Zhang does not get paid by the church and is a slave to the church. She does not know what is happenening in the Temple and is an impersonator of G-d.
How would you know if she gets paid or not? and how can she not know what is happening when all these ppl all around the world go to see her and call her mother. And what about the videos showing her as God the Mother & the pamphlets and pictures saying she is God the mother???and how can she impersonate without knowing?
I laughed when I read it. Imagine if the last few posts happened in person. JL says something in spanish. Then Hal translates. Then KF is going off on Hal.. lol, thinking about it detail makes me giggle. =)
renita.payno wrote:
I laughed when I read it. Imagine if the last few posts happened in person. JL says something in spanish. Then Hal translates. Then KF is going off on Hal.. lol, thinking about it detail makes me giggle. =)
LOL
Hal wrote:
KF wrote:
Hal wrote:
Zhang does not get paid by the church and is a slave to the church. She does not know what is happenening in the Temple and is an impersonator of G-d.
How would you know if she gets paid or not? and how can she not know what is happening when all these ppl all around the world go to see her and call her mother. And what about the videos showing her as God the Mother & the pamphlets and pictures saying she is God the mother???
My bad.. That is interruptation from JL of her post in Spanish.
perdon si no me entienden, pero la traduccion de Hal esta mal jeje …….Yo digo que Zhang gana dinero, pero como gasta su dinero si solo pasa en el templo, es como una esclava mas, y que intencion tiene de hacerse pasar por Dios
Ok, my turn to try. Jl said
Excuse but the translation from hal is very bad. Lol. I said that Zhang wins money. But how something her money if only pass in the temple. Is how the something more and what intentions she has of to have to pass for god.
How’s that? =)
renita.payno wrote:
Ok, my turn to try. Jl said
Excuse but the translation from hal is very bad. Lol. I said that Zhang wins money. But how something her money if only pass in the temple. Is how the something more and what intentions she has of to have to pass for god.
How's that? =)
no renita asi tampoco es:
1.Zhang gana dinero
2. el dinero que Zhang gana como lo aprovecha si solo pasa en el templo, que ganaria Zhang haciendose pasar por dios si no aprovecha su dinero
Hal wrote:
JL, are you saying that Zhang makes money by staying at the Temple and spending the money?
jl wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Ok, my turn to try. Jl said
Excuse but the translation from hal is very bad. Lol. I said that Zhang wins money. But how something her money if only pass in the temple. Is how the something more and what intentions she has of to have to pass for god.
How's that? =)
no renita asi tampoco es:
1.Zhang gana dinero
2. el dinero que Zhang gana como lo aprovecha si solo pasa en el templo, que ganaria Zhang haciendose pasar por dios si no aprovecha su dinero
alright let me try with my spanish 101
ok JL says no Renita it's not like that either:
1. Zhang makes money
2. The money that Zhang makes, how can she enjoy it if she is always in the temple, what would Zhang gain pretending to be God if she can't enjoy her money.
did i get it JL….
well JL if my translation is correct, Zhang is not always at the temple, she works at the we love u foundation, where she is the chairwomen. (can someone get that website so JL can see)
also no one knows what she does at night, when the lights go off, of course they gonna tell us she lives in the temple, but we can't testify to that. She's on the other side of the world. Where does she live??? anyone know.
How is it jl can read in english but not respond in english? Are you using a translator? Whiskey tango foxtrot… anywho, sometimes just having the money enjoying it.
she's there when the over seas visiting members are there and there are a lot of trips so that'd be a stupid plan if she wanted a nightlife to enjoy her money
Maybe she does believe she’s god??
KF wrote:
Hal wrote:
JL, are you saying that Zhang makes money by staying at the Temple and spending the money?
jl wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Ok, my turn to try. Jl said
Excuse but the translation from hal is very bad. Lol. I said that Zhang wins money. But how something her money if only pass in the temple. Is how the something more and what intentions she has of to have to pass for god.
How's that? =)
no renita asi tampoco es:
1.Zhang gana dinero
2. el dinero que Zhang gana como lo aprovecha si solo pasa en el templo, que ganaria Zhang haciendose pasar por dios si no aprovecha su dinero
alright let me try with my spanish 101
ok JL says no Renita it's not like that either:
1. Zhang makes money
2. The money that Zhang makes, how can she enjoy it if she is always in the temple, what would Zhang gain pretending to be God if she can't enjoy her money.
did i get it JL….
well JL if my translation is correct, Zhang is not always at the temple, she works at the we love u foundation, where she is the chairwomen. (can someone get that website so JL can see)
also no one knows what she does at night, when the lights go off, of course they gonna tell us she lives in the temple, but we can't testify to that. She's on the other side of the world. Where does she live??? anyone know.
CORRECTA TU TRADUCCION KF
renita.payno wrote:
Maybe she does believe she's god??
YO CREO QUE ELLA PIENSA QUE ES dios
porque en uno de sus videos del sacrificio de la madre ella, es tentada por los demonios ,
y los demonios le dicen que como puede ser ella dios si es sola una mujer
I’ll wait for a translation. I think i know what was written but I’ll just wait. =)
jl wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Maybe she does believe she's god??
YO CREO QUE ELLA PIENSA QUE ES dios
porque en uno de sus videos del sacrificio de la madre ella, es tentada por los demonios ,
y los demonios le dicen que como puede ser ella dios si es sola una mujer
Here's the translation:
"I BELIEVE THAT SHE THINKS SHE IS god
because in one of her videos about the sacrifice of mother, she is tempted by demons,
and the demons say how can she be god if she is just a woman."
Hope that helps 🙂
You know what would be ironic, if we have all been deceived in so many falsehoods that we begin to mistake light for dark and dark for light! And if the truth were put before us we would be so blind that we cannot even discern between right and wrong. Jesus says he is the truth and the light and the way, now depending on how you “feel” you should interpret this many discussions can arise from this point none with any real value whatsoever anyway, because as much as you and I would like to believe that we are the rulers of our own thoughts we are daily being subjected and manipulated by varying influences that inevitably lead to a variety of levels of brainwashing anyway. Leading us to the realisation that we are in actual fact sheep without a shepherd, unless you believe or at least claim to believe in that “Great Shepherd” who comes to gather his people yet at the same time is also said to be struck leaving the sheep scattered until he comes to redeem those waiting for him. If he returns its only his sheep that return to him because they know his voice, while the rest of the children of Satan try their best to steer you from the path back home. Don’t let Christ become your stumbling block, no man is better than another and the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of man. Don’t waste your time trying to find truth in what has been taught up to this point, even though these people are known by God they do not know God and neither do they want to, follow the Spirit who reminds you of all things that Jesus has taught.
I was told that during one trip to korea, someone threw a knife at her and she caught it with her bare hands without even looking at the direction of which the blade was coming.
renita.payno wrote:
I was told that during one trip to korea, someone threw a knife at her and she caught it with her bare hands without even looking at the direction of which the blade was coming.
My daddy once caught a bullet with his bare hands (Chris Tucker) and my daddy once caught bullet with his bare teeth (Jackie Chan) Rush Hour, Lol this is what your comment reminds me of, LOL
Hey Renita what happen to the person who threw the knife???
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