[KC]

just finished argueing with a wmscog member, it all started this morning when a friend who is a former member called me and said a girl from wmscog who lived in the same apartment building as him visited him and talked to him about how wrong he is to left the church and after he told him about me, that member said she wanted to talk to me so she can also "enlighten" me about "the truth", so i agreed to meet in starbucks.

so we met and after the standard wmscog MUST SAY and SHOW discussions and bible verses from highlighted bible about the "proof" of mr anh is Jesus, about the raptor from the east and other rehearsed speech, i told her lets just talk about the tithing and mama zhang since thats the reason why this man, my friend leave your church.

just as i expected, after some back and forth conversations about tithes "laws", she started to recite Luke 16 : 19-31 and asked me do i think the bible is not tell that hoarding earthly possesions and money will only leads to hell? i said yap no doubt that the bible says if you are greedy and only care about material thoughts in your life, it will lead you to hell but that dont mean it say that you should give up everything to a self proclaimed god to buy your salvation.

that annoys her i think since then she started to bullshit about how mama zhang live in bad condition in korea where she spend all her time reading letters from her "childrens" to the point she got a sore eyes and cant stop thinkking about her lost sons and daugthers from all around the world.

then i told her, i dont know if she aware about this or not but i personally have watched some of wmscog videos that boast about how big and beautiful that elohim complex in budang is, theres some scenes of mama zhang smilling and showing off some nice buildings where her overseas "childrens" can stay if they visit korea, so you just told me about how Lazarus the poor sit on Abraham lap while the crazy rich would burn in hell begging for a single drop of water?? i think those videos dont show ANYTHING that says mama zhang lived in poor condition or having a hard time and definitely nowhere anywhere near the condition like Lazarus.

then that girl just stormed out from the cafe.

 

[Simon]

[Simon]

To be fair she was preaching to Korean members as well as Americans (and whomever else) at least when people I know went and when it is on video

[fedupmom]

Yes, but he did admit that she does not speak English- I believe though he said when he talked to her she just said alot of "Amens", (in response to whatever he may have said to her). So I suppose you could argue that is English but the impression I was left with was that may be the extent of it.

[Simon]

well technicly Amen is Hebrew lol (: without having heard what your son said, and only having heard what deacons said she said and only having seen videos where she is alone with them I really have no consistent image, but I am sure you are being honest in your understanding and it may well be right, don't think I don't believe you, I just find it weird she wouldn't speak English as an international business woman you would think that would be a given in today's society is all.

[KC]

you never seen any video of mama god meeting overseas visitors with a guy in a suit standing besides them and talking at the same time whoever in that group talking? im sure that guy is not there just for filling the frame or eye candy.

And no its not weird, not many koreans can speak english but most goddess usually should be capable thought.

[Rahab]

It amazes me that we have to communicate to God through written letters. Even when Jesus was alive on Earth he knew the hearts and minds of people without them externally communicating to Him. The Lord told us to confess our sins against Him and repent to Him privately. We are to come to Him with a sincere heart, and not to make a “show” of ourselves like the Pharisees did.

The Lord and I have talked on a very personal and intimate level. He knows me and I have heard his voice.

[Simon]

None of the videos I saw had that.

And remember she is no ordinary Korean she is a wealthy international business woman who runs two foundations even if they are a font English would be a logical skill to develop for her

[Simon]

Writing to God would be for our benefit not God. Not that we infact can but if God did allow it

[Rahab]

Simon wrote:

Writing to God would be for our benefit not God. Not that we infact can but if God did allow it

 Of course it would be for the benefit of the person and for God.  For there is nothing that we have or can do that the Lord needs.  His love and grace are free for all and there is nothing that we can do to earn it. 

I have been confounded about the statements that members make about God allowing them to do everything.  I supposed free will isn't taught either?  When my loved one was in the group, he recieved a package from a sister.  In the letter she wrote that she was allowed to go to Korea, was allowed to buy gifts, allowed to send them to other brother and sisters.  It was all very shocking to me. 

[Simon]

well I don't mean it in the extreme measure as they do lol

 

I just mean God has not provided a means for it.

[emil]

Simon I really appreciate how balanced you are in your responses. You show no malice and continue to exhibit a charitable disposition despite having been conned in the past.

With regard to your point about being an international business woman, I understand that she never travels anywhere. I wonder if this is done to ensure that all exposure is under strictly controlled conditions. I also wonder if she is just a pawn in the game played by the general pastor.

[Simon]

That is possible we don’t really know what she knows and doesn’t know. Sometimes I fear it is so and that she doesn’t even know the path she leads others on and that she herself is on but that seems almost too incredible.

[Simon]

I am 80% sure she knows

[emil]

My point is not whether she knows or not. I seriously wonder who is the actual brain behind this whole game plan.

With my limited knowledge of their operation, I would think it is the General pastor or whatever title he goes by. If she was the brain, she would not restrict herself to exposure only in controlled conditions.

[Rahab]

Does Zhang write her own sermons? Does she publish her own books/writings? Ahn wrote his own stuff. The General Pastor has his writings. Does God the mother do this as well, or does she leave it up to others to be her voice?

[emil]

Rahab wrote:

Does Zhang write her own sermons? Does she publish her own books/writings? Ahn wrote his own stuff. The General Pastor has his writings. Does God the mother do this as well, or does she leave it up to others to be her voice?

Good point. Just want to ask members if she delivers her sermons to a live audience or only by video?

[KC]

mama god adressed the audience with opening speeches, most of the time when on big days such as one of feast day, when overseas members visited  or when a class of new preachers just graduated their study in the elohim academy, but for the sermons usually its the head priest that do the talking while she quietly sits on her "throne".

[Simon]

I’ve seen three or four videos of her giving live sermons

[KC]

saying "welcome everybody i know it must be hard for you to come all the way here but i also feels quite sad for those who cant come bla bla bla" thats not a sermon from my point of view, thats just a little chit chat on stage.

[Simon]

No giving SERMON

[Simon]

well as much as Kim Joo-Cheol's sermons are sermon