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Matthew 24:4-5. And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.
It’s happening….
You will have to be more specific about Joshua. Genesis 18 cannot be considered the same thing. First of all, it is not clear who the 3 men were. Were they angels sent by God. Were they God himself? I do not know.
Jesus man was an incarnation. God did not "appear as man" but God "became man". He had a human body, died, rose again and ascended bodily into heaven. That along with what the angel said at the ascension, makes me believe it will be the same body.
Sarah2013 wrote:
There are some scriptures that have lead some christians to believe Elijah/Moses will come as one of the witnesses as in the Left Behind Movie, which I don't quite accept what they depicted. Malachi 4:4-5. Revelation 11. Exodus 7:17-21.
Thanks for those scripture verses. The Malachi one is possible to apply. For Rev, are you referring to the two witnesses? If so then the manner of their death does not match with Ahn. Nor does the duration, whether you interpret the period directly or use the 1 day equals 1 year formula.
As regards Ex 7, it doesn't seem to be the right reference. Couldn't find anything like Elijah in it.
Not at all never heard a single christian claim all old testament prophecy re the messiah has been fulfilled til today
As far as genesis 18-19 it explicitly says god and two angels
The wmscog teaches the witness are the old and new testaments
Simon wrote:
The wmscog teaches the witness are the old and new testaments
Then what do they say about the two witnesses prophesying for 1260 days? (Rev. 11:3) And all the rest from Rev. 11? How do they make all that fit with the old and new testaments?
The words of god held their testimony through the dark ages against the church and since the church ignored the rain aka holy spirit was withheld
How about "If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die." (Rev. 11:5)
and verses 7-13 (especially the three and a half days part)?
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Simon wrote:
As far as genesis 18-19 it explicitly says god and two angels
Do you mean Gen 18:19? That verse is within the Sodom story and nothing to do with the 3 men. The beginning of the chapter has the story of the 3 men but which translation and exact verse says it is God and 2 angels?
are you up for convoluted wmscog style double think?
No chapters 18 and 19
Sarah2013 wrote:
It is believed, Emil, that when it says Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament that it is Jesus. I do agree on that also.
I don't dispute that. That could be true. However, those are appearances not the incarnation. The body itself is not important in the appearances. We have no way of knowing whether it was actually human or an apparition. Jesus on the other hand, had a real body with all the normal characteristics including death. That is the point I am making. He ascended with a real, functional human body.
Sarah2013 wrote:
You must have misunderstood. I never implied nor believe anything concerning ahang and Elija. If you notice, I don't comment in those forums. Or, I'm are we misunderstanding each other. I don't believe all the Elijah and David stories have anything to do with Ahang in the first place. Ahnag to me is just a man who tried to preach God's word.
I did not misunderstand Sarah2013. I know where you stand on those points. I was just writing about the verses which you provided. I know you don't take those verses to mean what the wmscog claims.
Speaking of the David prophecy, I have no clue what scripture support they have about the 40 year reign. I know that Jesus was prophesied to be a descendent of David but where does scripture say the descendent must also reign for 40 years? And do they believe that Ahn needs to come once again in the end days? If so, since the 40 years are completed according to them, there is no scope for more time.
Simon wrote:
No chapters 18 and 19
OK got it. But I differentiate between Jesus in his human body and these appearances in the OT. I have explained why in my response to Sarah2013 above.
In genesis 18 it is definitive he wasn’t an apparition and joshua no reason to believe he was
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