[Sarah2013]

Matthew 24:4-5. And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.

It’s happening….

[Sarah2013]

[Sarah2013]

Simon, this isn’t a strong debate. It’s going in circles so I’ll back out.

[Simon]

Its not going in circles at all

[Simon]

He hasn’t fulfilled all prophecy so when he comes to complete it how do we recognize?

[Sarah2013]

Revelation

[Sarah2013]

What prophecy? Everyone keeps talking about prophecy. What prophecy does he need to come and fulfil other than what he said will happen causing us to recognise the end being near. Tribulation (is he expected to come for this)? Some believe believers are gone prior while other believe different. So what exactly are we talking about here. The two eye witness? So Please explain?

[Love'n Honey]

There are a lot of prophecies in Revelation. Rev 22:18. The 7 bowls, the 7 seals, the verses before "After this.." Are you saying that these prophecies were already fulfilled and now we're just waiting to die?

[Sarah2013]

Certainly not. The impression I am getting from Simon is not prophecy being fulfilled, but Jesus coming to fulfil it. Two different meaning.

[Sarah2013]

Jesus literally coming, and the fulfilment of prophecy, are two different understanding. Everything in Revelation must happen but i don’t see where he is coming for it to happen save at the end when the dead and those alive in Christ will be judged. That’s why I asked the question.

[Love'n Honey]

The Root of David opened the scrolls. That's about the Lamb that was slain, aka crux Jesus. Is this a prophecy of Him who will "appear a second time"?

[Sarah2013]

See…. I attribute his second coming to a physical coming and not in fulfilment of scripture. Meaning, in my understanding, he will literally come after all has happened and not as it is happening. I don’t know why he would want to come as David, Elijah or Moses. I thought Elijah will be Elijah. The Bible notes that the same Jesus will come again.

I think we are all meaning different things and thinking we are talking of the same thing, as far is this particular topic is concerned.

[Love'n Honey]

I don't know why He would come as those people either but the Scripture says He is the root of David [W/E that means]. It also says He will appear a second time which is a prophecy that He must fulfill. If you say He will literally come after all has happened then when He comes is when all the prophecies concerning Christ will be fulfilled. Am I understanding you right?

[Sarah2013]

renita.payno wrote:

I don't know why He would come as those people either but the Scripture says He is the root of David [W/E that means]. It also says He will appear a second time which is a prophecy that He must fulfill. If you say He will literally come after all has happened then when He comes is when all the prophecies concerning Christ will be fulfilled. Am I understanding you right?

Yes. This is my understanding of it and not that he will come, then go, then come again. 

[Sarah2013]

As in come each time a prophecy has to be fulfilled. Not all prophecy entails him being physically present for it to happend. Isn't that so?  

[emil]

First I have a question. I would like someone to tell me where scripture says Elijah has to come once again. There was one second coming of Elijah that I am aware of, which was fulfilled before Jesus' first coming and Jesus already spoke of it. Is there another?

Second, I wish to point out that Jesus at his first coming, rose from the dead. Jesus would have left the old shell back here in the tomb with only his spirit being raised. He bodily ascended into heaven. It appears logical, taken with what the angel said at the time, that he will return in the same body. This will be under very visible and unambiguous circumstances. Any comments?

[Love'n Honey]

Right, there's only one more prophecy He has to fulfill which is to appear a 2nd time and bring salvation. He doesn't have to be here while the seals are being opened or the bowls are being poured. Not every prophecy involves the Christ coming in flesh.

[Sarah2013]

renita.payno wrote:

Right, there's only one more prophecy He has to fulfill which is to appear a 2nd time and bring salvation. He doesn't have to be here while the seals are being opened or the bowls are being poured. Not every prophecy involves the Christ coming in flesh.

Finally! My bone of contention has been brought to light. Renita, thanks! Why was this so hard between me and Simon. 

[Sarah2013]

emil wrote:

First I have a question. I would like someone to tell me where scripture says Elijah has to come once again. There was one second coming of Elijah that I am aware of, which was fulfilled before Jesus' first coming and Jesus already spoke of it. Is there another?

Second, I wish to point out that Jesus at his first coming, rose from the dead. Jesus would have left the old shell back here in the tomb with only his spirit being raised. He bodily ascended into heaven. It appears logical, taken with what the angel said at the time, that he will return in the same body. This will be under very visible and unambiguous circumstances. Any comments?

There are some scriptures that have lead some christians to believe Elijah/Moses will come as one of the witnesses as in the Left Behind Movie, which I don't quite accept what they depicted. Malachi 4:4-5. Revelation 11. Exodus 7:17-21.

[Simon]

No reson to believe it will be the same body at all genesis 18 shows him in the flesh before as does a verse in joshua.

And it’s well known jesus didn’t fulfill all old testament prophecies concerning himself this is why there are at least two comings

[Sarah2013]

Simon…. I feel you might be mixing Wmscog's teaching with the true bibilical messages. 

[Sarah2013]

The coming we are talking about, isn't it to do with : His birth and the end time. Not when he came to the three hebrew kids in the old testament in the firey furnace – Son of man/ Angel of the Lord. You get my point.