Man made symbols? Does God hate symbols?

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    Joshua
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    One thing that I do agree with the WMSCOG about is that we are not supposed to worship man made symbols. This may excite them to see that I agree with them however all Christians that I know would and do agree with this. Sorry WMSCOG but being right about one thing does not make you good or righteous.

                    The Cross is a symbol that was made by man and should never be worshipped however to remove it totally is to in fact remove a symbol of God. This should NEVER happen. Man would view the Cross as an implementation tool of death that was used to kill Jesus. Jesus was killed by man in this manner because he was fulfilling prophesy. If the prophesy said that he would be killed by being shot to death we would probably have guns on top of our churches and as jewelry around our necks. As it is the Cross was made a symbol of the power, wisdom, glory, love, and salvation of God and by God. God sanctified the Cross and who would dare to question God?  In Acts 10:10-15 Peter was praying he fell into a trance. He envisioned a sight that looked like a great sheet being lowered to the earth and on it were all sorts of animals that at the current time were viewed as common or unclean. A voice came to him saying kill and eat. His response was no Lord; I have never eaten anything common or unclean. The voice spoke a second time saying,” What God has sanctified do not call common.”  When God sanctifies something even something viewed as common, unclean, unwanted, unusable, despicable, or a tool of death we are not to question Him.

                    Romans 14:14 "There is nothing is unclean in itself; but for the man in who's oppinion it is unclean, for him it is unclean."

                    The Bible says, "There is nothing is unclean in itself." Where have people gotten the idea that the Cross or a symbol is unclean? Because the WMSCOG said it was! Who do you believe? I'm going with Gods Word on this one!

                    What is Gods stance on symbols anyway? Let’s look at that.

                    God ordered many things to be made and placed many symbols around us to remind us of Him and His Glory. In the Old Testament God ordered many “Holy Items” to be made to remind people of Him. Exodus 28:37 Make a plate of the best gold with the words stamped on it, “Holy To The Lord.” Exodus 28:30 says, “And in the bag you are to put the Urim and Thummim, so that they may be on Aaron’s heart wherever he goes in before the Lord.” How about one of the most famous symbols in history? Exodus 25:8 And let them make Me a sanctuary, the Ark. The Israelites also were to place a symbol of the Law on their heads and hands as a sign of the Lord.  I believe that this is a shadow of what we do today by wearing a Cross as a sign of who we belong to. It’s a matter of great respect and honor. To remove this symbol would in fact be very disrespectful and highly dishonoring. I will not be any part of that. In everything I do I want to be honoring to God even if it dishonors someone else’s beliefs on the matter. My God know my heart and I look forward to being told, “Well done my faithful servant.”

                    Need more truth about God and symbols? After a rain storm when the sun comes out you might see one of his greatest symbols ever. I would like to see the WMSCOG try to remove all of the rainbows from our sight!   

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    Love'n Honey
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    No, those verses don't make me doubt God the Mother.

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    Joshua
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    And how does what I shared with you fit into the WMS view of how things are? I’m just curious.

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    Joshua
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    And how does what I shared with you fit into the WMS view of how things are? I’m just curious.

    #43311

    Love'n Honey
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    From those verses alone, the purpose of Eve was to give birth to all nations. Man & woman work together in creating physical life. Neither can do it alone. This is why Eve was created.

    A Brother was talking to another Brother about how much he missed his wife. The other Brother's response was quite touching. He said something along the lines of, "It's may be hard to concentrate when you're missing a foot, a finger, or maybe even an eye. But I can only imagine how hard life would be if I were missing a rib." When he said it, at 1st I didn't see the relevence*. But soon after I understood why he said it. I thought it was very thoughtful & touching.

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    Love'n Honey
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    From those verses alone, the purpose of Eve was to give birth to all nations. Man & woman work together in creating physical life. Neither can do it alone. This is why Eve was created.

    A Brother was talking to another Brother about how much he missed his wife. The other Brother's response was quite touching. He said something along the lines of, "It's may be hard to concentrate when you're missing a foot, a finger, or maybe even an eye. But I can only imagine how hard life would be if I were missing a rib." When he said it, at 1st I didn't see the relevence*. But soon after I understood why he said it. I thought it was very thoughtful & touching.

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    Joshua
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    I do understand the reference however, the Bible says that we become one. I can live without a rib, a hand, a foot, and/or several other parts of myself. The way I choose to believe is that together we create the most perfect picture of God that we are capable of. We complete each other. I am half of her and she is half of me. When separated neither of us truly goes on. Half of ourselves is missing. I wish more people took the idea of marriage more serious than our society does today. We would truly set a much better example for our children and there would be a lot more love in the world.

    As you say it about Eve and also what you said about man and woman I also believe to be 100% correct. What I read and cannot reconcile is that one creator God made Adam. The same creator God made Eve. There is no second person or other God mentioned or even insinuated. Elohim God translates into the superiority or greatness of God. I hope that we all agree that God is both great and superior.

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    Joshua
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    I do understand the reference however, the Bible says that we become one. I can live without a rib, a hand, a foot, and/or several other parts of myself. The way I choose to believe is that together we create the most perfect picture of God that we are capable of. We complete each other. I am half of her and she is half of me. When separated neither of us truly goes on. Half of ourselves is missing. I wish more people took the idea of marriage more serious than our society does today. We would truly set a much better example for our children and there would be a lot more love in the world.

    As you say it about Eve and also what you said about man and woman I also believe to be 100% correct. What I read and cannot reconcile is that one creator God made Adam. The same creator God made Eve. There is no second person or other God mentioned or even insinuated. Elohim God translates into the superiority or greatness of God. I hope that we all agree that God is both great and superior.

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    Love'n Honey
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    Eve isn’t half of Adam.

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    Love'n Honey
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    Eve isn’t half of Adam.

    #43314

    Joshua
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    Just bring this back into discussion for the newer people posting here. Enjoy!

    #43315

    Sarah2013
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    Prior to my involvement with Wmscog, I stopped keeping statues of saint and crosses in my home to avoid me from kneeling before them. This has nothing to do with Wmscog in my case. I understand they teach against the cross but I don’t speak against it to the masses. I just have my take on it because I know myself what I am capable of doing in error, so I avoid those errors without prejudice.

    #43316

    Joshua
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    I'm glad to hear that you have taken steps in your own life to do what's right. It's a sign of real maturity that you recognize areas within yourself where you might fail and you have taken action to do what's right. Nicely done!

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