Man made symbols? Does God hate symbols?

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  • #6789
    Joshua
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    One thing that I do agree with the WMSCOG about is that we are not supposed to worship man made symbols. This may excite them to see that I agree with them however all Christians that I know would and do agree with this. Sorry WMSCOG but being right about one thing does not make you good or righteous.

                    The Cross is a symbol that was made by man and should never be worshipped however to remove it totally is to in fact remove a symbol of God. This should NEVER happen. Man would view the Cross as an implementation tool of death that was used to kill Jesus. Jesus was killed by man in this manner because he was fulfilling prophesy. If the prophesy said that he would be killed by being shot to death we would probably have guns on top of our churches and as jewelry around our necks. As it is the Cross was made a symbol of the power, wisdom, glory, love, and salvation of God and by God. God sanctified the Cross and who would dare to question God?  In Acts 10:10-15 Peter was praying he fell into a trance. He envisioned a sight that looked like a great sheet being lowered to the earth and on it were all sorts of animals that at the current time were viewed as common or unclean. A voice came to him saying kill and eat. His response was no Lord; I have never eaten anything common or unclean. The voice spoke a second time saying,” What God has sanctified do not call common.”  When God sanctifies something even something viewed as common, unclean, unwanted, unusable, despicable, or a tool of death we are not to question Him.

                    Romans 14:14 "There is nothing is unclean in itself; but for the man in who's oppinion it is unclean, for him it is unclean."

                    The Bible says, "There is nothing is unclean in itself." Where have people gotten the idea that the Cross or a symbol is unclean? Because the WMSCOG said it was! Who do you believe? I'm going with Gods Word on this one!

                    What is Gods stance on symbols anyway? Let’s look at that.

                    God ordered many things to be made and placed many symbols around us to remind us of Him and His Glory. In the Old Testament God ordered many “Holy Items” to be made to remind people of Him. Exodus 28:37 Make a plate of the best gold with the words stamped on it, “Holy To The Lord.” Exodus 28:30 says, “And in the bag you are to put the Urim and Thummim, so that they may be on Aaron’s heart wherever he goes in before the Lord.” How about one of the most famous symbols in history? Exodus 25:8 And let them make Me a sanctuary, the Ark. The Israelites also were to place a symbol of the Law on their heads and hands as a sign of the Lord.  I believe that this is a shadow of what we do today by wearing a Cross as a sign of who we belong to. It’s a matter of great respect and honor. To remove this symbol would in fact be very disrespectful and highly dishonoring. I will not be any part of that. In everything I do I want to be honoring to God even if it dishonors someone else’s beliefs on the matter. My God know my heart and I look forward to being told, “Well done my faithful servant.”

                    Need more truth about God and symbols? After a rain storm when the sun comes out you might see one of his greatest symbols ever. I would like to see the WMSCOG try to remove all of the rainbows from our sight!   

  • #43289

    Love'n Honey
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    Satan uses everything as a weapon to kill God. Yes, it's very indirect but still used in satan's plans. For instance, the internet. I watched a video at Zion & it said the internet is the T.O.K. So, the COG is teaching that some fruit from the T.O.K. is good while others are bad??? That is absolutely not what the Scripture says. But let's go with it. A good way to use the cross. How about not using it to kill people? Knives are weapons. We have those in Zion. But it's ok because we're not using them to kill people.

    I don't mean to attack but this is literally what I think about anything being called an idol. People idolize their children. That child is not allowed in Zion because you put that child before God..? Right…….

    #9226

    Love'n Honey
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    Satan uses everything as a weapon to kill God. Yes, it's very indirect but still used in satan's plans. For instance, the internet. I watched a video at Zion & it said the internet is the T.O.K. So, the COG is teaching that some fruit from the T.O.K. is good while others are bad??? That is absolutely not what the Scripture says. But let's go with it. A good way to use the cross. How about not using it to kill people? Knives are weapons. We have those in Zion. But it's ok because we're not using them to kill people.

    I don't mean to attack but this is literally what I think about anything being called an idol. People idolize their children. That child is not allowed in Zion because you put that child before God..? Right…….

    #9142

    Simon
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     A cross is an inanimate object your child should get salvation even if you cannot put God before your child why should they be punished?

    #43290

    Simon
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     A cross is an inanimate object your child should get salvation even if you cannot put God before your child why should they be punished?

    #43291

    Love'n Honey
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    I see how you avoid the more complicated questions. I do want to know about the fruit of the T.O.K. You know, it is ok to say you don't have an answer. But don't disregard my entire post & refer to the simplest portion.

    #43292

    Simon
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    I have never been told that so I cannot answer anything about that.

    #9111

    Simon
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    I have never been told that so I cannot answer anything about that.

    #9085

    Love'n Honey
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    There's a super new video put out specifically about the internet & the book Father wrote about there not being a Mother. I suggest you watch it so you'll understand how/why the COG tells us not to go on the internet researching the WMSCOG unless it's a website built by the COG. There are multiple parts. I wrote down the title & every verse they used in the video but I don't have my notebook on me.

    #43293

    Love'n Honey
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    There's a super new video put out specifically about the internet & the book Father wrote about there not being a Mother. I suggest you watch it so you'll understand how/why the COG tells us not to go on the internet researching the WMSCOG unless it's a website built by the COG. There are multiple parts. I wrote down the title & every verse they used in the video but I don't have my notebook on me.

    #43294

    king34
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    thats true. I talked to my ex today after 7 months and she told me about the video and how I was miss informed about the information that I received from this site. I told her a long time ago before they came up with these videos explaning about fathers book and there gods having children from this site .and what she said at that time is that satan is manipulating me. But told her "you see that it was true about the info I provided her " and she said that I ate from the tree of knowledge and I only ate the evil part of it and not the good part. Thats why I dont understand the expirutual meaning behind all of this.oh yea and she also thru in that shes getting married to a brother that she just met a few months ago and that pastor aprroved it. I was like wtf but I guess if shes happy im happy what can I do. She also said that pastor is raising up lawsuits against sites like this. I thought we had the power of free will to discuss anything we want in this site. She told me that If I wanted to meet with pastor and settle my insecurities about mother just to bring in the stuff from this site and he will sit with me and explain everything. dont know if I should do it? 

    #9086

    king34
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    thats true. I talked to my ex today after 7 months and she told me about the video and how I was miss informed about the information that I received from this site. I told her a long time ago before they came up with these videos explaning about fathers book and there gods having children from this site .and what she said at that time is that satan is manipulating me. But told her "you see that it was true about the info I provided her " and she said that I ate from the tree of knowledge and I only ate the evil part of it and not the good part. Thats why I dont understand the expirutual meaning behind all of this.oh yea and she also thru in that shes getting married to a brother that she just met a few months ago and that pastor aprroved it. I was like wtf but I guess if shes happy im happy what can I do. She also said that pastor is raising up lawsuits against sites like this. I thought we had the power of free will to discuss anything we want in this site. She told me that If I wanted to meet with pastor and settle my insecurities about mother just to bring in the stuff from this site and he will sit with me and explain everything. dont know if I should do it? 

    #9087

    Love'n Honey
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    Do what you want.  But I find the fact that there are good fruits in the tree that we are told not to eat from or we will die is bit.. improper.

    #43295

    Love'n Honey
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    Do what you want.  But I find the fact that there are good fruits in the tree that we are told not to eat from or we will die is bit.. improper.

    #43296

    Joshua
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    Hi Renita, I'm willing to view this video if it's available to us. With what you said in your post about viewing only websites put together by the COG my spirit is screaming RED FLAG! INFORMATION CONTROL! How do you feel about this?

    #9088

    Joshua
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    Hi Renita, I'm willing to view this video if it's available to us. With what you said in your post about viewing only websites put together by the COG my spirit is screaming RED FLAG! INFORMATION CONTROL! How do you feel about this?

    #43297

    king34
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    sorry to put this so boldly but the facts are the they are not god and there mistakes in the past has ben reveal to the whole world. Revelations that they are fake. and not so much for ahn because he never said that he was god ,he said in all his books pray to jesus but for that fake mother. after ahn died she wanted to be in power to take money and followers and start her own fake church. shes an impostor  because she was not even the first one to claim that she was god the mother.

    #9089

    king34
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    sorry to put this so boldly but the facts are the they are not god and there mistakes in the past has ben reveal to the whole world. Revelations that they are fake. and not so much for ahn because he never said that he was god ,he said in all his books pray to jesus but for that fake mother. after ahn died she wanted to be in power to take money and followers and start her own fake church. shes an impostor  because she was not even the first one to claim that she was god the mother.

    #9090

    Joshua
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    There are at least six god the mothers in Korea that I have heard of. Each one claims to be the true one even though scripture does not support it. The most prominant one is the Moonies. Once again they claim that she is the true god the mother and surprizingly enough they use the same scriptures that the WMS uses. The Moonies have been around longer which leads me to believe that the WMS stole this story from them just like they have stolen many of their teachings from the SDA church.

    #43298

    Joshua
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    There are at least six god the mothers in Korea that I have heard of. Each one claims to be the true one even though scripture does not support it. The most prominant one is the Moonies. Once again they claim that she is the true god the mother and surprizingly enough they use the same scriptures that the WMS uses. The Moonies have been around longer which leads me to believe that the WMS stole this story from them just like they have stolen many of their teachings from the SDA church.

    #9091

    king34
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    the only part that many people dont understand is that they have been at this for many years decieving people and they just have landed in the usa respectively and are gaining young adults that have no knoledge of the bible. Why dont they recruit pastors from other churches or people that have some type of understanding of this great book. no they only target kids .that they can easily be brain wash

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