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One thing that I do agree with the WMSCOG about is that we are not supposed to worship man made symbols. This may excite them to see that I agree with them however all Christians that I know would and do agree with this. Sorry WMSCOG but being right about one thing does not make you good or righteous.
The Cross is a symbol that was made by man and should never be worshipped however to remove it totally is to in fact remove a symbol of God. This should NEVER happen. Man would view the Cross as an implementation tool of death that was used to kill Jesus. Jesus was killed by man in this manner because he was fulfilling prophesy. If the prophesy said that he would be killed by being shot to death we would probably have guns on top of our churches and as jewelry around our necks. As it is the Cross was made a symbol of the power, wisdom, glory, love, and salvation of God and by God. God sanctified the Cross and who would dare to question God? In Acts 10:10-15 Peter was praying he fell into a trance. He envisioned a sight that looked like a great sheet being lowered to the earth and on it were all sorts of animals that at the current time were viewed as common or unclean. A voice came to him saying kill and eat. His response was no Lord; I have never eaten anything common or unclean. The voice spoke a second time saying,” What God has sanctified do not call common.” When God sanctifies something even something viewed as common, unclean, unwanted, unusable, despicable, or a tool of death we are not to question Him.
Romans 14:14 "There is nothing is unclean in itself; but for the man in who's oppinion it is unclean, for him it is unclean."
The Bible says, "There is nothing is unclean in itself." Where have people gotten the idea that the Cross or a symbol is unclean? Because the WMSCOG said it was! Who do you believe? I'm going with Gods Word on this one!
What is Gods stance on symbols anyway? Let’s look at that.
God ordered many things to be made and placed many symbols around us to remind us of Him and His Glory. In the Old Testament God ordered many “Holy Items” to be made to remind people of Him. Exodus 28:37 Make a plate of the best gold with the words stamped on it, “Holy To The Lord.” Exodus 28:30 says, “And in the bag you are to put the Urim and Thummim, so that they may be on Aaron’s heart wherever he goes in before the Lord.” How about one of the most famous symbols in history? Exodus 25:8 And let them make Me a sanctuary, the Ark. The Israelites also were to place a symbol of the Law on their heads and hands as a sign of the Lord. I believe that this is a shadow of what we do today by wearing a Cross as a sign of who we belong to. It’s a matter of great respect and honor. To remove this symbol would in fact be very disrespectful and highly dishonoring. I will not be any part of that. In everything I do I want to be honoring to God even if it dishonors someone else’s beliefs on the matter. My God know my heart and I look forward to being told, “Well done my faithful servant.”
Need more truth about God and symbols? After a rain storm when the sun comes out you might see one of his greatest symbols ever. I would like to see the WMSCOG try to remove all of the rainbows from our sight!
the article link for those who haven't read it: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/housingcomplex/2012/05/23/broken-windows-theory/
the article link for those who haven't read it: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/housingcomplex/2012/05/23/broken-windows-theory/
What about the butterfly on the wmc building in Korea..? What does it symbolize? HMMM!
What about the butterfly on the wmc building in Korea..? What does it symbolize? HMMM!
That is actually an A and a Z for Ahnsahnghong and Zahng Gil Jah
That is actually an A and a Z for Ahnsahnghong and Zahng Gil Jah
shimon wrote:
That is actually an A and a Z for Ahnsahnghong and Zahng Gil Jah
That butterfly is supposed to be an A and a Z? Awfully stylized, isn't it? And why use the Latin letters to design a symbol for Korean names? Hmm. This makes no sense to me right now, but it's not really important accept that the wmscog has its own symbol.
shimon wrote:
That is actually an A and a Z for Ahnsahnghong and Zahng Gil Jah
That butterfly is supposed to be an A and a Z? Awfully stylized, isn't it? And why use the Latin letters to design a symbol for Korean names? Hmm. This makes no sense to me right now, but it's not really important accept that the wmscog has its own symbol.
Because that was how they fulfilled the prophecy of Alpha and Omega A and Z
Because that was how they fulfilled the prophecy of Alpha and Omega A and Z
"Where have people gotten the idea that the Cross or a symbol is unclean? Because the WMSCOG said it was!"
TL:DR intentionally bowing to or praying to -any- image of -anything- is a bad thing to do, and its expressed multiple times in the Bible.
The study in question revolves around the original law, the example of the Apostles, followed by how and why idolism was introduced by a particular church in history.
Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
There is also the lesson where Moses lifted up a staff that saved people from snake bites, and people started to bow and pray to it. God wanted to be prayed to directly and was displeased. Eventually they said that the staff had special powers.
Now I say that crosses are unholy. Not because they have a mystical field of satanic evil that I'm afraid of, or something ridiculous, but because it is absolutely imperative that I convince you of -just how much- praying to a cross is a bad idea.
So yeah, people get excited about how bad it is and mis-speak. I have too. The point is not to do it, whether you call the cross itself holy or unholy is irrelevant. Don't make anything in the image of anything, but especially, don't pray to it.
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Again, sounds like a case of a newer brother rather than the actual study given by Deacons.
This is actually the main reason why we reccomend you come to church and get a much more accurate study. In the field brothers like myself can say dumb things trying to express ourselves.
A lot of us really dislike crosses though, even though they are just plain inanimate objects, we foolishly consider them like the enemy because of the negative effect they've had on Christianity.
"Where have people gotten the idea that the Cross or a symbol is unclean? Because the WMSCOG said it was!"
TL:DR intentionally bowing to or praying to -any- image of -anything- is a bad thing to do, and its expressed multiple times in the Bible.
The study in question revolves around the original law, the example of the Apostles, followed by how and why idolism was introduced by a particular church in history.
Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
There is also the lesson where Moses lifted up a staff that saved people from snake bites, and people started to bow and pray to it. God wanted to be prayed to directly and was displeased. Eventually they said that the staff had special powers.
Now I say that crosses are unholy. Not because they have a mystical field of satanic evil that I'm afraid of, or something ridiculous, but because it is absolutely imperative that I convince you of -just how much- praying to a cross is a bad idea.
So yeah, people get excited about how bad it is and mis-speak. I have too. The point is not to do it, whether you call the cross itself holy or unholy is irrelevant. Don't make anything in the image of anything, but especially, don't pray to it.
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Again, sounds like a case of a newer brother rather than the actual study given by Deacons.
This is actually the main reason why we reccomend you come to church and get a much more accurate study. In the field brothers like myself can say dumb things trying to express ourselves.
A lot of us really dislike crosses though, even though they are just plain inanimate objects, we foolishly consider them like the enemy because of the negative effect they've had on Christianity.
WMS brother wrote:
This is actually the main reason why we reccomend you come to church and get a much more accurate study. In the field brothers like myself can say dumb things trying to express ourselves.
That's funny, really. When I was trying to study with a deaconess in person, she eventually told me to stop talking with her and get my information from the church website and other such online places.
Yet, when I try to get information online, I am told to visit the church to study in person.
I think it's just a way to avoid addressing the serious issues. But I am very thankful that you are hear and willing to have a conversation. (I just hope that it turns out to be a two-way conversation where you will listen and not just talk.)
WMS brother wrote:
This is actually the main reason why we reccomend you come to church and get a much more accurate study. In the field brothers like myself can say dumb things trying to express ourselves.
That's funny, really. When I was trying to study with a deaconess in person, she eventually told me to stop talking with her and get my information from the church website and other such online places.
Yet, when I try to get information online, I am told to visit the church to study in person.
I think it's just a way to avoid addressing the serious issues. But I am very thankful that you are hear and willing to have a conversation. (I just hope that it turns out to be a two-way conversation where you will listen and not just talk.)
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