Keeping all of the appointed times…

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  • #7274
    Simon
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    WMSCOG boasts of keeping all of the appointed times… But there is one I cannot find any way they keep

    Numbers 28:11 “‘On the first of every month, present to the Lord a burnt offering of two young bulls, one ram and seven male lambs a year old, all without defect…."

    So every appointed time of sacrifice is kept as an appointed time in WMSCOG except at least one of them The New Moon appointed time of sacrifice…

     

    How can they be the true church because keep every appoited time yet keep them in the wrong months and not even attempt all of them and inventing another (third day)

  • #59166

    Disturbed
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    I believe the answer I was given about that was that there is no record of Jesus keeping the new moon so we didn’t have to keep it. You know they just make up a lot as they go

    #59167

    Simon
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    There is no record of him keeping the feast of trumpets 🙂

    #59168

    Disturbed
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    He was a Jew…if he kept one feast he kept them all (wmscog response)

    #59169

    genny
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    Disturbed wrote:

    He was a Jew…if he kept one feast he kept them all (wmscog response)

    Then He would have also kept new moons and Purim too.  And there is a record of Him keeping Hanukkah, but the WMSCOG doesn't keep that.

    Simon, I asked about new moons too and the answer I got left me with the impression they didn't think new moons were significant enough to need keeping.  I'd like to hear from FTOS about this.

    #59170

    Disturbed
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    Purim & Hanukkah don’t belong to the Law of Moses according to wmscog, which is why they justify not keeping them

    #59171

    Simon
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    New Moons are Torah commands Purim and Chanukah are man made tradition

    #59172

    genny
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    Disturbed wrote:

    Purim & Hanukkah don't belong to the Law of Moses according to wmscog, which is why they justify not keeping them

    But don't they want to follow what Jesus did?  And He did keep Hanukkah.

    #59173

    Disturbed
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    @Genny…they make it up as they go. After they read these posts they will go back &explain to the members why they don’t keep feasts or give extra explanation about what Jesus did keep based on reading between the lines

    #59174

    Simon
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    genny wrote:

    Disturbed wrote:

    Purim & Hanukkah don't belong to the Law of Moses according to wmscog, which is why they justify not keeping them

    But don't they want to follow what Jesus did?  And He did keep Hanukkah.

    He was in Jerusalem durring Chanukah doesn't mean he kept it per say

    #59175

    genny
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    Hey, at least it's mentioned.   And they assume He kept other feasts that are not even mentioned.

    #59176

    Simon
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    Major difference is Jesus actually spoke against man made traditions and for the law of God 

    #59177

    genny
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    Jesus spoke against treating man made traditions as if they were the law of God, didn't He? 

    If the wmscog were against all mad made traditions, they wouldn't celebrate birthdays, mothers day or fathers day, New Years on Jan. 1, men and women separated in church (I don't recall that as a command), red and blue candles at "Father's" wedding ceremony, etc.

    But new moons are mentioned in God's law, so I don't see why they wouldn't keep those.

    #59178

    Simon
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    Chanukah as a religious holiday would be quite different from mothers day

    #59179

    emil
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    What about circumcision Simon? Would that be God's law? The wmscog member I know does not know what circumcision is. 

    I think much is made of Jesus saying that he has not come to abolish the law but fulfill it. I believe what he meant was that he was the fulfillment of the law. It has been accomplished. We need to distinguish between moral laws and ceremonial laws.

    Sorry I hope I'm not derailing this thread. Genny, if I am, please delete this post.

    #59180

    Simon
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    Although one might say since pope gregory set new years to january 1 they shouldn’t keep new years

    #59181

    Simon
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    baptism=circumcision

    #59182

    emil
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    Simon wrote:

    Although one might say since pope gregory set new years to january 1 they shouldn't keep new years

    I am genuinely confused about which is the so-called sacred calendar and who keeps it faithfully.

     

    Simon wrote:

    baptism=circumcision

    I believe that Jesus took all moral law and combined it into the two commandments of loving God and neighbour.

    It has been argued that baptism itself has pagan origin. Wonder what the wmscog has to say about it.

    #59183

    Simon
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    Baptism is jewish origin in many ways

    #59184

    Disturbed
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    Wmscog would say about baptism….if Jesus was baptized, we too should be baptized to follow the example he set. Now how they baptize comes into question because they say you must be baptized in all 3 names…one of which we know is a false god.

    #59185

    emil
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    Good point Disturbed, but Jesus was circumcised too.

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