Just had a sit down with my husbands overseer!!! OMG..

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  • #7905
    WarriorQueen
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    So I should of been more prepared but it was a last minute thing.. I got answers like I don’t know.. I don’t care.. I’m only worried about my church and my members here.. And then constant indoctrination.. Him trying to brainwash me with bible scriptures and history.. He even said our country is corrupt when I told him that anyone can apply for the presidential award they got.. It was insane.. And he got so aggitated about things I asked or said.. But my husband believed every lie that came out..

    I wonder what will happen now?

    Will he be rebuked..

    Or will he be told I’m satan trying to take him from F&M!?

    He denies any of that will happen!!

    What do y’all think?!

  • #71018

    WarriorQueen
    Participant

    I forgot to add according to him… (overseer)

    Anyone can make up lawsuit documents and post them..

    #71019

    UntouchableJ
    Participant

    True….anyone can. But, in the face of accusation, a person should investigate! If someone told you, that your Nanny looked like someone they saw on the FBI website as a kidnapper….A WISE person would;

    A. Temporarily put business on hold

    B. Investigate the person fully (background check, police records check etc). And if things look ok, back to business.

    An unwise person could only make two mistaskes on varying degrees;

    A.Ignore the possibility of the persons potential

    B. Fire the nanny immediately, the beat her up just because.

    This is a funny analogy, but members want to believe, which is fine..but they are indoctrinated with so much brainwashing, they think its NOT ok to question things. The secrecy of WMS and non transparency is alarming.

    Let me share something. Im blessed to have a former coworker who is Korean. He came over here as preteen, and still speaks and reads Korean fluently. I asked him to translate something off of this site, and he did. The page I asked him to look at was on point with what was described (the Tark 1988 end world prophecy slide from this website). How come members never investigate? I knew WMS was lying, when I saw the Ron Ramos/Hassan video in entirety , I knew they had edited it. It was 10minutes longer. WMS has Psychological defenses they set up through terms and scriptures;

    “Anyone who looks up slander on the internet, won’t have mother protection”

    “Slanderers are just like modern day Judas'”

    “You must stay in Zion, all the time”

    “Questioning mother is grumbling and complaining “

    These quotes are traps…like telling your child the boogeyman will get him if he steals. You can do a public records request for ANY court document, even internationally. So the, “made up document” argument falls flat.

    #71020

    UntouchableJ
    Participant

    P.S. He may be rebuked of he sided with you.

    They may tell him about, Matthew 10:35 &36 “For a mans enemies will be that of his own household.” What may free your husband, is if he sees them trying to subtly bring division into your home. They may try to give him more roll and responsibility, or, drop small seeds of negativity.

    #71021

    WarriorQueen
    Participant

    It’s crazy cause all this makes perfect sense but he told me after I’m still sure and will spread the love of F&M to whoever will listen.. I’m like dude did you not just hear everything that was just said and touched upon.. We even sat and read the problems with the new jerusalem and woman’s veils and he stated what they say.. He did that to protect us from un sooin!!! I’m not giving up.. And you’re so right.. Just keep on loving him and pressing forward is exactly what I’m going to do.. Also, he didn’t get rebuked.. They told him it was great that I came to ask questions.. I don’t know If it’s true.. But this Zion is either very different from others or my husabdn husband is blind!!! Lol..

    #71022

    Selena
    Participant

    Before I left I was so confused by it all and I just believed Ahnsahnghong to be a prophet. At that time I was asked would God allow a false prophet to teach his teachings. Immediately o thought of Um soo in. They say that she stole Ahnsahnghong books. So he allowed a false prophet to teach his teachings. Maybe ask him the same question and see what he says but don’t mention Um soo in until after he gives his answer.

    #71023

    UntouchableJ
    Participant

    Selena has a good point. Ask him also, “Can God lie?”. He will emphatically say “No!”. Tell him, but if AHN is God, why did he lie and say there isnt a God the Mother in a book then publish it. He will give you excuses on “Father had to do it…”blah. Keep stating that Ahn lied. And, if Ahn took all the copies back how did WMS have a copy to make a video about.

    #71024

    Felicia1122
    Participant

    So true. These people have answers for everything, but funny how we know what they will say which proves their indoctrination. I hope your husband breaks free. We all hope everyone involved in this cult breaks free.

    #71025

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Your husband is in deep.  He probably has been attending the indoctrination sessions for some time.  Sounds like he has accepted it.  You are probably in for a bumpy ride, so I would suggest that first you try to get family members to help (sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles) people he is close to.

    #71026

    Hank Ford
    Participant

    UntouchableJ wrote:

    Selena has a good point. Ask him also, "Can God lie?". He will emphatically say "No!". Tell him, but if AHN is God, why did he lie and say there isnt a God the Mother in a book then publish it. He will give you excuses on "Father had to do it…"blah. Keep stating that Ahn lied. And, if Ahn took all the copies back how did WMS have a copy to make a video about.

     I wonder if they have taught him about "the righteous lie" ??

    #71027

    WarriorQueen
    Participant

    Thank you @Felicia

    @HH yeah he accepted fully!!!! I’m truly the only one close to him.. Thank u!!

    @hank I’m sure the righteous lie has been taught cause when I asked the overseer in front of him of God can lie he said he said you can only be saved in the name of Jehovah and then said Jesus then babbled on other stuff I didn’t pay attention to!!! So I assumed that was a yes.. Lol!!!!

    #71028

    UntouchableJ
    Participant

    @Warrior What the overseer did was called “Diversion”. Politicians do it alot.

    Man: “Can you tell me what 1+1 equals?”

    Politician: “Well, we have to understand that ‘1’, has metaphoric implications. Isnt a family ‘one’but can have a few members, right?”

    Man:”But Im simply asking whats 1+1?!”

    Politician: “Again 1 doesnt always equal 1. You yourself are one being, but you have microorganisms in your body that you need for survival..so..”blahblah

    My point with this, is make them stay on the track. If AHN is God, he lied when making the book…therefore by his OWN word Ahn can’t be God. Period. You should have stayed the course and told the Overseer, “So God can lie?” Simple and plain. A Righteous lie, is a Lie. But its not really righteous. I dont remember many of the Patriarchs doing it, let alone God. And in the Bible, God said about HIMSELF, “What am I am man that I can lie?”. So Ahn is god and gets to say, “Im God I can’t lie…except once or twice”?.

    #71029

    WarriorQueen
    Participant

    I did stand my ground repeating it over and over.. I got the same thing and this and that scripture or this happened and that happened and then I don’t know Or don’t care!! Lol.. Then I would just look at my husband and making sure I stayed calm.. He was totally agitated with me!! It was a crazy experience to say the least..

    #71030

    Mayor and Mike
    Participant

    Just be careful warrior. Although the church is changing their ways, allowing their members to use the Internet, and allowing them to start families in these post 2012 years, be careful. They are a different culture with a different spirit. They create division in families. You are at risk. They have broken up families and couples before. Your marriage is at risk of being divided even if you don't see it now. Approach this situation very carefully. 

    #71031

    EZEKIEL
    Participant

    MAYOR AND MIKE YOU ARE DECEPTIVE

    YOU WILL FALL   WE ATTACK AT DAWN

    #71032

    EZEKIEL
    Participant

    warrior queen your husband will leave you

    you will never get him back

    praise GOD THE MOTHER!!!

    #71033

    Mayor and Mike
    Participant

    GODS friend/JAMAL. You are back. Are you angry that you kept the passover on the wrong day? You kept it on the 13th day of Adar II. That's the truth. Its not deceptive. 

    #71034

    EZEKIEL
    Participant

    THE CHURCH MEMBERS     ARE PASSIVE    THEY WILL    GO  TO HEAVEN   14400

    WE HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS   SOME TEACH

    SOME ATTACK

    GUESS WHICH ONE I AM

    PRAISE   ZANG GIL JAH  GOD  THE MOTHER!!!

    YOU ARE ALL DOOMED

    #71035

    Mayor and Mike
    Participant

    Really? the prophets in zion have you believing you are some sort of attack angel? Is that correct? Are you an angel in satan's service? You have to be joking.  They have you decieved, fooled. 

    #71036

    EZEKIEL
    Participant

    god  the mother has attack angels   yes indeed  in spirit  and  in  the flesh 

    better know  what  your  dealing  with   praise  god   the  mother   zang  gil  jah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #71037

    EZEKIEL
    Participant

    god the mother  says:

     

    LETS REVIEW     EVERYTHING   YOU  SAID  ON  THIS  WEBSITE..

    HOW  YOU  LIED  TO  MEMBERS     OF  THE  CHURCH  AND  CONFUSED  THEM  WITH  LIES

    TELL ME  ALL  THE  THINGS   YOU  HAVE  SAID  IS  ANYONE  BOLD  TO  SPAR  WITH ME   WITH  THIS  CHALLENGE?

    HOW   ABOUT  YOU   MAYOR  AND  MIKE?   SINCE  YOU  WANT   MAMA Z     DEAD 

    PRAISE  GOD  THE  MOTHER!!   AND  HER  BLESSED  144 000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS    COWARDS!!

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