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This topic deserves its own posting. When you take a few lines of scripture and put it together with other parts of scripture is it the truth? Is it still the word of God? What if you only take one verse? Does it mean what it says?
There are ways to make the Bible say or infer many different things. Anything from sexual practices to suicide. This is just one example of what I’m talking about. And the wretched knowing he was lost took himself out and hung himself. now go forth and do likewise. By putting these two parts of scripture together it would appear that the word of God is telling us to kill ourselves. We all know better than this however, the SDA cult as well as the WMSCOG cult (among others) go to great lengths in doing this very thing. The scriptures used above have about as much to do with each other as a puppy and a cheese grader. One scripture refers to Judas Iscariot and the other comes from a lesson Jesus taught on how we should deal with each other. Lets not be fooled by this kind of deception and misleading.
I have heard the argument that you can’t use your own mind to determine what the scriptures are saying. Jesus spoke in parables in order to make us think and discover the things of God. In my mind anyone who tells you something like don’t use your own mind, we can answer all of your questions is nothing more than a manipulator and a deceiver. Sound like anyone in the Bible you’ve heard of?
WHOAMI wrote:
I know, when I heared about that story and about the book that was written & meant for umoo something, i said in my mind, now why would GOD need to write a book, when he left us the bible. They explain to me the whole story, but it still sounded so wrong to me, and thats what started me to come on to the internet and search.
There are times when i think Ash was a prophet, but when they tell me "whoever brings back the passover is God, because only God can unseal what he sealed" and they show me the verse, it makes sense, and i accept it.
If only God can restore Passover it would stand to reason only God can restore Sabbath Day. Only God can restore anything Satan took away.
But Passover never went away. Jews celebrated Passover as set forth in the regulation
You know what I told them that. I said the jews keep sabbath and passover and their answer was the Jews are wrong, they curcified their own messiah, they are going to hell everything they do is wrong, because they still follow the old law. I'm sorry Shimon no offense to you or Loocpoc or any other Jewish person, but that is how they explain it to me. What did they tell you when you were there.
it did go away within Christianity which is the claim so you are strawmanning the claim to include Jews which it does not.
I never brought it up because Ahnsahnghong ALWAYS ADMITTED that Jews keep Passover so I found no contradiction and understood he EXPLICITLY was refferring to Christians.
then say that
shimon wrote:
Here is a very simple solution to the question. God cannot lie Ahnsahnghong said there is no Mother God and Zahng Gil Jah claims she is God and that Ahnsahnghong said she was God.
Either Ahnsahnghong lied when he said there is no Mother God meaning he cannot be God, thus making Zahng Gil Jah's claim meaningless.
OR Ahnsahnghong was truthful when he said there was no Mother God and Zahng Gil Jah is lying about him claiming she is God so as a liar she cannot be God.
Absolutely right Shimon!! I never thought of it that way.
WHOAMI wrote:
I know, when I heared about that story and about the book that was written & meant for umoo something, i said in my mind, now why would GOD need to write a book, when he left us the bible. They explain to me the whole story, but it still sounded so wrong to me, and thats what started me to come on to the internet and search.
There are times when i think Ash was a prophet, but when they tell me "whoever brings back the passover is God, because only God can unseal what he sealed" and they show me the verse, it makes sense, and i accept it.
I agree that it does not make sense that Ahn would right an ENTIRE book to refute the idea of a "mother god" (and refute the same exact verses the wms uses to say that zhang is the "mother god") just to turn around and say "JUST KIDDING there really is a 'mother god' and by the way those verses that I wrote about, yeah those really do mean that there is a 'mother god', so just believe the opposite of everything I wrote in my book." The whole idea is pretty ridiculous.
There still is a church I think in the Pusan area of Korea that believes in Ahn but not Momma Zhang. There are links to it I think on this website. I also heard from an ex member who joined the church as it was starting in the USA way back in the early 90's on Wilshire Blvd in LA. Apparently when Dong Il Lee moved in on this established congregation, there was a big exodus of longtime members. According to this ex member (14 years in) the longtime members didn't think it possible for non Koreans to be in the church.
I used to spend a lot of time with Korean friends in the mid Wilshire area during the 80's and early 90's. Never thought that a cult would develop through there that would ensnare my little child someday …..
PS … I spoke with another Korean friend yesterday who owns some of the local gas stations. He is from the Pusan area also. I asked him about Ahn and his church. My friend, although spending most of his life there, never heard of it. He did remark, however, that the Pusan area is "famous" for "cults" like this ……
Also, I think I posted this before. But I have a longtime Korean friend whose father was a big deal in the Korean shipbuilding business. The family is from the same area of Korea as Ahn. They also never heard of this group until I spoke with him about it a few months ago. He then did some follow up research in Korea and reported back that there are a significant number of followers of WMSCOG now in Korea but it is still a very small group in relation to regular Christian churches. Moon's organization in Korea is much much much larger than this one. He also said that Christian Churches in Korea don't regard WMSCOG as Christian … (for obvious reasons, I think).
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